[DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
Jeff Detrich
jjdetrich at gmail.com
Mon Sep 15 12:25:24 EDT 2014
Ford actually painted their engines black at one time. Maybe early 60's?
Jeff
6559
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> An unrelated question. A Since I am having a rebuilt engine installed
> (a 408 stroked Cleveland, SVO A-3 heads, A331 intake, 180 degree
> ceramic coated headers, custom built carb . My engine compartment is
> totally refinished with painted surfaces (in black) SS. fire wall cover
> SS bottles and water pipes. What is the consensus A concerning the
> engine block paint. Should I go with standard Ford blue, black to match
> the engine compartment or some other color?
>
> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Julian Kift
> <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> A A Maybe air coming up from under the car doesn't hit as much
> turbulence
> A A from the now blingy polished surfaces, so you can go faster :>)
> That's
> A A probably why a polished ZF gets hotter!
> A A
> A __________________________________________________________________
> A A Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:51:40 -0700
> A A From: [2]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com
> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
> A A To: [3]julian_kift at hotmail.com; [4]mikeldrew at aol.com;
> [5]cengles at cox.net
> A A CC: [6]detomaso at poca.com; [7]michael at michaelshortt.com
>
> A A When you are running at 140/150 at SSCC or BBORR who will know if
> it is
> A A polished?
> A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
> not be
> A A ! )
> A A
> A __________________________________________________________________
> A A From: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> A A To: "[9]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[10]mikeldrew at aol.com>; Charles Engles
> A A <[11]cengles at cox.net>
> A A Cc: De Tomaso List <[12]detomaso at poca.com>;
> "[13]michael at michaelshortt.com"
> A A <[14]michael at michaelshortt.com>
> A A Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:22 PM
> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
> A A A Let's face it polishing requires a lot of fine grit wet & dry
> A A A sandpaper, rags, metal polishes (of varying grit) and a lot of
> elbow
> A A A grease full stop. You can either put in that effort or pay for
> the
> A A wear
> A A A and tear on someone elses elbows.
> A A A What we haven't talked about is what you set yourself up for in
> A A A continued maintenance by having a polished ZF. You are at some
> point
> A A A going to have to put in more elbow grease to maintain that
> shiny
> A A look,
> A A A unless of course you are either a) of sufficient economic
> stature and
> A A A wealth you "Have people to do that for you" or b) want to take
> the ZF
> A A A out each year for a repolish.
> A A A Of course you could try to seal the polished surface, but I
> think
> A A that
> A A A raises even more concerns on sealing in heat.
> A A A Julian
> A A A > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:48:02 -0700
> A A A > To: [1][15]cengles at cox.net
> A A A > CC: [2][16]detomaso at poca.com;
> [3][17]michael at michaelshortt.com
> A A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
> A A A > From: [4][18]detomaso at poca.com
> A A A >
> A A A > Another thought--polishing requires a lot of manipulation and
> it
> A A A would be easy to drop the gearbox and damage it.
> A A A >
> A A A > Dumb idea in other words. :)
> A A A >
> A A A > Masochists have don't it in the car but they are relying on
> rags,
> A A A metal polish and elbow grease....
> A A A >
> A A A > Mike
> A A A >
> A A A > Sent from my iPhone
> A A A >
> A A A > On Sep 14, 2014, at 10:38, "Charles Engles"
> <[5][19]cengles at cox.net>
> A A wrote:
> A A A >
> A A A > > Dear Guys,
> A A A > >
> A A A > >
> A A A > > One other consideration of the polisher working on a fully
> A A A assembled and presumably, fully functional, *expensive* ZF: if
> after
> A A a
> A A A careful and proper polish job *any* malfunction or problem
> occurs
> A A with
> A A A the pretty polished ZF, then all eyes and finger would point to
> the
> A A A polisher. He probably wouldn't want that grief and headache.
> A A A > >
> A A A > >
> A A A > > Worst case scenario, Chuck Engles
> A A A > >
> A A A > >
> A A A > >
> A A A > >
> A A A > > -----Original Message-----
> A A A > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[6][20]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
> Behalf Of
> A A A [7][21]michael at michaelshortt.com
> A A A > > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:34 AM
> A A A > > To: boyd casey
> A A A > > Cc: Mike Drew; [8][22]detomaso at poca.com
> A A A > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
> A A A > >
> A A A > > IMHO...I think it would just be a big PIA, so heavy and
> hard to
> A A A move around in the multistep process.
> A A A > >
> A A A > > Michael
> A A A > > On Sep 14, 2014 9:56 AM, "Boyd Casey"
> <[9][23]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> A A wrote:
> A A A > >
> A A A > >> Mike,
> A A A > >> Do you think that polishing a fully assembled ZF presents
> A a
> A A risk
> A A A to
> A A A > >> damaging the transaxle? You mentioned people polishing a
> Trans
> A A A axle
> A A A > >> while it was still installed. I have posted warnings
> against
> A A sand
> A A A > >> blasting and even wet bead blasting while one has an
> engine or
> A A A > >> transaxle installed. I know from A information passed on
> to me
> A A by
> A A A my
> A A A > >> friend who owns a new water based glass bead blasting
> business
> A A A that
> A A A > >> even with substantial efforts made to protect the engine
> or
> A A tranny
> A A A it
> A A A > >> is very easy to have a A nominal amount of glass beading
> find
> A A it's
> A A A way
> A A A > >> into the engine or transmission and that's A the death
> knoll for
> A A A > >> either. A I wasn't aware of similar risks to the ZF A due
> to
> A A A polishing.
> A A A > >> Thanks,
> A A A > >> Boyd
> A A A > >>
> A A A > >> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Mike Drew
> A A <[1][10][24]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> A A A > >> wrote:
> A A A > >>
> A A A > >> I think Lloyd Butfoy charges $1200 for polishing. Of
> course he
> A A A would
> A A A > >> never do it with the gearbox assembled.
> A A A > >> I double any professional polisher will either.
> A A A > >> Mike
> A A A > >> Sent from my iPhone
> A A A > >>
> A A A > >> On Sep 13, 2014, at 21:55, Boyd Casey
> <[2][11][25]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> A A A wrote:
> A A A > >>> A A Just out of curiosity, I know there will be a wide
> variance
> A A A but
> A A A > >> what do
> A A A > >>> A A you think we be a reasonable price to polish a fully
> A A A assembled zf
> A A A > >> dash
> A A A > >>> A A -2 with bell housing outside the car. Detached from
> the
> A A motor
> A A A and
> A A A > >>> A A delivered to a polishing shop. Do you think it would
> be
> A A A necessary
> A A A > >> to
> A A A > >>> A A take any steps to protect the ZF from intrusion of
> polish
> A A or
> A A A any
> A A A > >> other
> A A A > >>> A A potential problems?
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Ford actually painted their engines black at one time. Maybe early
60's?
Jeff
6559
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
wrote:
A A An unrelated question. A Since I am having a rebuilt engine
installed
A A (a 408 stroked Cleveland, SVO A-3 heads, A331 intake, 180
degree
A A ceramic coated headers, custom built carb . My engine
compartment is
A A totally refinished with painted surfaces (in black) SS. fire
wall cover
A A SS bottles and water pipes. What is the consensus AA
concerning the
A A engine block paint. Should I go with standard Ford blue, black
to match
A A the engine compartment or some other color?
A A On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Julian Kift
A A <[1][2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A A AA A Maybe air coming up from under the car doesn't hit as
much
A A A turbulence
A A A AA A from the now blingy polished surfaces, so you can go
faster :>)
A A A That's
A A A AA A probably why a polished ZF gets hotter!
A A A AA A
A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
A A A AA A Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:51:40 -0700
A A A AA A From: [2][3]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com
A A A AA A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A A AA A To: [3][4]julian_kift at hotmail.com;
[4][5]mikeldrew at aol.com;
A A A [5][6]cengles at cox.net
A A A AA A CC: [6][7]detomaso at poca.com;
[7][8]michael at michaelshortt.com
A A AA A When you are running at 140/150 at SSCC or BBORR who will
know if
A A it is
A A AA A polished?
A A AA A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for
there may
A A not be
A A AA A ! )
A A AA A
A A A
__________________________________________________________________
A A AA A From: Julian Kift <[8][9]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A AA A To: "[9][10]MikeLDrew at aol.com"
<[10][11]mikeldrew at aol.com>; Charles Engles
A A AA A <[11][12]cengles at cox.net>
A A AA A Cc: De Tomaso List <[12][13]detomaso at poca.com>;
A A "[13][14]michael at michaelshortt.com"
A A AA A <[14][15]michael at michaelshortt.com>
A A AA A Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:22 PM
A A AA A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A AA AA A Let's face it polishing requires a lot of fine grit
wet & dry
A A AA AA A sandpaper, rags, metal polishes (of varying grit) and
a lot of
A A elbow
A A AA AA A grease full stop. You can either put in that effort
or pay for
A A the
A A AA A wear
A A AA AA A and tear on someone elses elbows.
A A AA AA A What we haven't talked about is what you set yourself
up for in
A A AA AA A continued maintenance by having a polished ZF. You
are at some
A A point
A A AA AA A going to have to put in more elbow grease to maintain
that
A A shiny
A A AA A look,
A A AA AA A unless of course you are either a) of sufficient
economic
A A stature and
A A AA AA A wealth you "Have people to do that for you" or b)
want to take
A A the ZF
A A AA AA A out each year for a repolish.
A A AA AA A Of course you could try to seal the polished surface,
but I
A A think
A A AA A that
A A AA AA A raises even more concerns on sealing in heat.
A A AA AA A Julian
A A AA AA A > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:48:02 -0700
A A AA AA A > To: [1][15][16]cengles at cox.net
A A AA AA A > CC: [2][16][17]detomaso at poca.com;
A A [3][17][18]michael at michaelshortt.com
A A AA AA A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A AA AA A > From: [4][18][19]detomaso at poca.com
A A AA AA A >
A A AA AA A > Another thought--polishing requires a lot of
manipulation and
A A it
A A AA AA A would be easy to drop the gearbox and damage it.
A A AA AA A >
A A AA AA A > Dumb idea in other words. :)
A A AA AA A >
A A AA AA A > Masochists have don't it in the car but they are
relying on
A A rags,
A A AA AA A metal polish and elbow grease....
A A AA AA A >
A A AA AA A > Mike
A A AA AA A >
A A AA AA A > Sent from my iPhone
A A AA AA A >
A A AA AA A > On Sep 14, 2014, at 10:38, "Charles Engles"
A A <[5][19][20]cengles at cox.net>
A A AA A wrote:
A A AA AA A >
A A AA AA A > > Dear Guys,
A A AA AA A > >
A A AA AA A > >
A A AA AA A > > One other consideration of the polisher working
on a fully
A A AA AA A assembled and presumably, fully functional,
*expensive* ZF: if
A A after
A A AA A a
A A AA AA A careful and proper polish job *any* malfunction or
problem
A A occurs
A A AA A with
A A AA AA A the pretty polished ZF, then all eyes and finger
would point to
A A the
A A AA AA A polisher. He probably wouldn't want that grief and
headache.
A A AA AA A > >
A A AA AA A > >
A A AA AA A > > Worst case scenario, Chuck Engles
A A AA AA A > >
A A AA AA A > >
A A AA AA A > >
A A AA AA A > >
A A AA AA A > > -----Original Message-----
A A AA AA A > > From: DeTomaso
[mailto:[6][20][21]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
A A Behalf Of
A A AA AA A [7][21][22]michael at michaelshortt.com
A A AA AA A > > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:34 AM
A A AA AA A > > To: boyd casey
A A AA AA A > > Cc: Mike Drew; [8][22][23]detomaso at poca.com
A A AA AA A > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A AA AA A > >
A A AA AA A > > IMHO...I think it would just be a big PIA, so
heavy and
A A hard to
A A AA AA A move around in the multistep process.
A A AA AA A > >
A A AA AA A > > Michael
A A AA AA A > > On Sep 14, 2014 9:56 AM, "Boyd Casey"
A A <[9][23][24]boyd411 at gmail.com>
A A AA A wrote:
A A AA AA A > >
A A AA AA A > >> Mike,
A A AA AA A > >> Do you think that polishing a fully assembled ZF
presents
A A A a
A A AA A risk
A A AA AA A to
A A AA AA A > >> damaging the transaxle? You mentioned people
polishing a
A A Trans
A A AA AA A axle
A A AA AA A > >> while it was still installed. I have posted
warnings
A A against
A A AA A sand
A A AA AA A > >> blasting and even wet bead blasting while one
has an
A A engine or
A A AA AA A > >> transaxle installed. I know from A information
passed on
A A to me
A A AA A by
A A AA AA A my
A A AA AA A > >> friend who owns a new water based glass bead
blasting
A A business
A A AA AA A that
A A AA AA A > >> even with substantial efforts made to protect
the engine
A A or
A A AA A tranny
A A AA AA A it
A A AA AA A > >> is very easy to have a A nominal amount of glass
beading
A A find
A A AA A it's
A A AA AA A way
A A AA AA A > >> into the engine or transmission and that's A the
death
A A knoll for
A A AA AA A > >> either. A I wasn't aware of similar risks to the
ZF A due
A A to
A A AA AA A polishing.
A A AA AA A > >> Thanks,
A A AA AA A > >> Boyd
A A AA AA A > >>
A A AA AA A > >> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Mike Drew
A A AA A <[1][10][24][25]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
A A AA AA A > >> wrote:
A A AA AA A > >>
A A AA AA A > >> I think Lloyd Butfoy charges $1200 for
polishing. Of
A A course he
A A AA AA A would
A A AA AA A > >> never do it with the gearbox assembled.
A A AA AA A > >> I double any professional polisher will either.
A A AA AA A > >> Mike
A A AA AA A > >> Sent from my iPhone
A A AA AA A > >>
A A AA AA A > >> On Sep 13, 2014, at 21:55, Boyd Casey
A A <[2][11][25][26]boyd411 at gmail.com>
A A AA AA A wrote:
A A AA AA A > >>> A A Just out of curiosity, I know there will be
a wide
A A variance
A A AA AA A but
A A AA AA A > >> what do
A A AA AA A > >>> A A you think we be a reasonable price to
polish a fully
A A AA AA A assembled zf
A A AA AA A > >> dash
A A AA AA A > >>> A A -2 with bell housing outside the car.
Detached from
A A the
A A AA A motor
A A AA AA A and
A A AA AA A > >>> A A delivered to a polishing shop. Do you think
it would
A A be
A A AA AA A necessary
A A AA AA A > >> to
A A AA AA A > >>> A A take any steps to protect the ZF from
intrusion of
A A polish
A A AA A or
A A AA AA A any
A A AA AA A > >> other
A A AA AA A > >>> A A potential problems?
A A AA AA A > >>
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