[DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
Julian Kift
julian_kift at hotmail.com
Sun Sep 14 22:50:41 EDT 2014
Yes, but this is the same car that just had the ZF polished, has a totally refinished engine bay and SS firewall, bottles & pipes to boot. I vote for that faux chrome paint you can get now and have it all matching. Maybe even a chrome wrap for the exterior.....
Julian
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:03:00 -0500
From: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
To: boyd411 at gmail.com; julian_kift at hotmail.com
CC: mikeldrew at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
Either dark ford blue or black. Lighter colors look bad in a very
short time as road grime etc coat them.
JT
On 9/14/2014 6:16 PM, Boyd Casey wrote:
An unrelated question. A Since I am having a rebuilt engine installed
(a 408 stroked Cleveland, SVO A-3 heads, A331 intake, 180 degree
ceramic coated headers, custom built carb . My engine compartment is
totally refinished with painted surfaces (in black) SS. fire wall cover
SS bottles and water pipes. What is the consensus A concerning the
engine block paint. Should I go with standard Ford blue, black to match
the engine compartment or some other color?
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Julian Kift
<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A Maybe air coming up from under the car doesn't hit as much
turbulence
A A from the now blingy polished surfaces, so you can go faster :>)
That's
A A probably why a polished ZF gets hotter!
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:51:40 -0700
A A From: [2]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A To: [3]julian_kift at hotmail.com; [4]mikeldrew at aol.com;
[5]cengles at cox.net
A A CC: [6]detomaso at poca.com; [7]michael at michaelshortt.com
A A When you are running at 140/150 at SSCC or BBORR who will know if
it is
A A polished?
A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
not be
A A ! )
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A From: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A To: "[9]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[10]mikeldrew at aol.com>; Charles Engles
A A <[11]cengles at cox.net>
A A Cc: De Tomaso List <[12]detomaso at poca.com>;
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A A Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:22 PM
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A A Let's face it polishing requires a lot of fine grit wet & dry
A A A sandpaper, rags, metal polishes (of varying grit) and a lot of
elbow
A A A grease full stop. You can either put in that effort or pay for
the
A A wear
A A A and tear on someone elses elbows.
A A A What we haven't talked about is what you set yourself up for in
A A A continued maintenance by having a polished ZF. You are at some
point
A A A going to have to put in more elbow grease to maintain that
shiny
A A look,
A A A unless of course you are either a) of sufficient economic
stature and
A A A wealth you "Have people to do that for you" or b) want to take
the ZF
A A A out each year for a repolish.
A A A Of course you could try to seal the polished surface, but I
think
A A that
A A A raises even more concerns on sealing in heat.
A A A Julian
A A A > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:48:02 -0700
A A A > To: [1][15]cengles at cox.net
A A A > CC: [2][16]detomaso at poca.com;
[3][17]michael at michaelshortt.com
A A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A A > From: [4][18]detomaso at poca.com
A A A >
A A A > Another thought--polishing requires a lot of manipulation and
it
A A A would be easy to drop the gearbox and damage it.
A A A >
A A A > Dumb idea in other words. :)
A A A >
A A A > Masochists have don't it in the car but they are relying on
rags,
A A A metal polish and elbow grease....
A A A >
A A A > Mike
A A A >
A A A > Sent from my iPhone
A A A >
A A A > On Sep 14, 2014, at 10:38, "Charles Engles"
<[5][19]cengles at cox.net>
A A wrote:
A A A >
A A A > > Dear Guys,
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > > One other consideration of the polisher working on a fully
A A A assembled and presumably, fully functional, *expensive* ZF: if
after
A A a
A A A careful and proper polish job *any* malfunction or problem
occurs
A A with
A A A the pretty polished ZF, then all eyes and finger would point to
the
A A A polisher. He probably wouldn't want that grief and headache.
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > > Worst case scenario, Chuck Engles
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > > -----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of
A A A [7][21]michael at michaelshortt.com
A A A > > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:34 AM
A A A > > To: boyd casey
A A A > > Cc: Mike Drew; [8][22]detomaso at poca.com
A A A > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A A > >
A A A > > IMHO...I think it would just be a big PIA, so heavy and
hard to
A A A move around in the multistep process.
A A A > >
A A A > > Michael
A A A > > On Sep 14, 2014 9:56 AM, "Boyd Casey"
<[9][23]boyd411 at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A A > >
A A A > >> Mike,
A A A > >> Do you think that polishing a fully assembled ZF presents
A a
A A risk
A A A to
A A A > >> damaging the transaxle? You mentioned people polishing a
Trans
A A A axle
A A A > >> while it was still installed. I have posted warnings
against
A A sand
A A A > >> blasting and even wet bead blasting while one has an
engine or
A A A > >> transaxle installed. I know from A information passed on
to me
A A by
A A A my
A A A > >> friend who owns a new water based glass bead blasting
business
A A A that
A A A > >> even with substantial efforts made to protect the engine
or
A A tranny
A A A it
A A A > >> is very easy to have a A nominal amount of glass beading
find
A A it's
A A A way
A A A > >> into the engine or transmission and that's A the death
knoll for
A A A > >> either. A I wasn't aware of similar risks to the ZF A due
to
A A A polishing.
A A A > >> Thanks,
A A A > >> Boyd
A A A > >>
A A A > >> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Mike Drew
A A <[1][10][24]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
A A A > >> wrote:
A A A > >>
A A A > >> I think Lloyd Butfoy charges $1200 for polishing. Of
course he
A A A would
A A A > >> never do it with the gearbox assembled.
A A A > >> I double any professional polisher will either.
A A A > >> Mike
A A A > >> Sent from my iPhone
A A A > >>
A A A > >> On Sep 13, 2014, at 21:55, Boyd Casey
<[2][11][25]boyd411 at gmail.com>
A A A wrote:
A A A > >>> A A Just out of curiosity, I know there will be a wide
variance
A A A but
A A A > >> what do
A A A > >>> A A you think we be a reasonable price to polish a fully
A A A assembled zf
A A A > >> dash
A A A > >>> A A -2 with bell housing outside the car. Detached from
the
A A motor
A A A and
A A A > >>> A A delivered to a polishing shop. Do you think it would
be
A A A necessary
A A A > >> to
A A A > >>> A A take any steps to protect the ZF from intrusion of
polish
A A or
A A A any
A A A > >> other
A A A > >>> A A potential problems?
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Yes, but this is the same car that just had the ZF polished, has a
totally refinished engine bay and SS firewall, bottles & pipes to boot.
I vote for that faux chrome paint you can get now and have it all
matching. Maybe even a chrome wrap for the exterior.....
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:03:00 -0500
From: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
To: boyd411 at gmail.com; julian_kift at hotmail.com
CC: mikeldrew at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com; michael at michaelshortt.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
Either dark ford blue or black. Lighter colors look bad in a very
short time as road grime etc coat them.
JT
On 9/14/2014 6:16 PM, Boyd Casey wrote:
An unrelated question. A Since I am having a rebuilt engine installed
(a 408 stroked Cleveland, SVO A-3 heads, A331 intake, 180 degree
ceramic coated headers, custom built carb . My engine compartment is
totally refinished with painted surfaces (in black) SS. fire wall cover
SS bottles and water pipes. What is the consensus A concerning the
engine block paint. Should I go with standard Ford blue, black to match
the engine compartment or some other color?
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Julian Kift
[1]<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A Maybe air coming up from under the car doesn't hit as much
turbulence
A A from the now blingy polished surfaces, so you can go faster :>)
That's
A A probably why a polished ZF gets hotter!
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:51:40 -0700
A A From: [[2]2]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A To: [[3]3]julian_kift at hotmail.com; [[4]4]mikeldrew at aol.com;
[[5]5]cengles at cox.net
A A CC: [[6]6]detomaso at poca.com; [[7]7]michael at michaelshortt.com
A A When you are running at 140/150 at SSCC or BBORR who will know if
it is
A A polished?
A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
not be
A A ! )
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A From: Julian Kift [8]<[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A To: [9]"[9]MikeLDrew at aol.com" [10]<[10]mikeldrew at aol.com>; Charles Engle
s
A A [11]<[11]cengles at cox.net>
A A Cc: De Tomaso List [12]<[12]detomaso at poca.com>;
[13]"[13]michael at michaelshortt.com"
A A [14]<[14]michael at michaelshortt.com>
A A Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:22 PM
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A A Let's face it polishing requires a lot of fine grit wet & dry
A A A sandpaper, rags, metal polishes (of varying grit) and a lot of
elbow
A A A grease full stop. You can either put in that effort or pay for
the
A A wear
A A A and tear on someone elses elbows.
A A A What we haven't talked about is what you set yourself up for in
A A A continued maintenance by having a polished ZF. You are at some
point
A A A going to have to put in more elbow grease to maintain that
shiny
A A look,
A A A unless of course you are either a) of sufficient economic
stature and
A A A wealth you "Have people to do that for you" or b) want to take
the ZF
A A A out each year for a repolish.
A A A Of course you could try to seal the polished surface, but I
think
A A that
A A A raises even more concerns on sealing in heat.
A A A Julian
A A A > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:48:02 -0700
A A A > To: [1][[15]15]cengles at cox.net
A A A > CC: [2][[16]16]detomaso at poca.com;
[3][[17]17]michael at michaelshortt.com
A A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A A > From: [4][[18]18]detomaso at poca.com
A A A >
A A A > Another thought--polishing requires a lot of manipulation and
it
A A A would be easy to drop the gearbox and damage it.
A A A >
A A A > Dumb idea in other words. :)
A A A >
A A A > Masochists have don't it in the car but they are relying on
rags,
A A A metal polish and elbow grease....
A A A >
A A A > Mike
A A A >
A A A > Sent from my iPhone
A A A >
A A A > On Sep 14, 2014, at 10:38, "Charles Engles"
[19]<[5][19]cengles at cox.net>
A A wrote:
A A A >
A A A > > Dear Guys,
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > > One other consideration of the polisher working on a fully
A A A assembled and presumably, fully functional, *expensive* ZF: if
after
A A a
A A A careful and proper polish job *any* malfunction or problem
occurs
A A with
A A A the pretty polished ZF, then all eyes and finger would point to
the
A A A polisher. He probably wouldn't want that grief and headache.
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > > Worst case scenario, Chuck Engles
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > >
A A A > > -----Original Message-----
A A A > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[6][[20]20]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
Behalf Of
A A A [7][[21]21]michael at michaelshortt.com
A A A > > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:34 AM
A A A > > To: boyd casey
A A A > > Cc: Mike Drew; [8][[22]22]detomaso at poca.com
A A A > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] polish ZF cost estimate
A A A > >
A A A > > IMHO...I think it would just be a big PIA, so heavy and
hard to
A A A move around in the multistep process.
A A A > >
A A A > > Michael
A A A > > On Sep 14, 2014 9:56 AM, "Boyd Casey"
[23]<[9][23]boyd411 at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A A > >
A A A > >> Mike,
A A A > >> Do you think that polishing a fully assembled ZF presents
A a
A A risk
A A A to
A A A > >> damaging the transaxle? You mentioned people polishing a
Trans
A A A axle
A A A > >> while it was still installed. I have posted warnings
against
A A sand
A A A > >> blasting and even wet bead blasting while one has an
engine or
A A A > >> transaxle installed. I know from A information passed on
to me
A A by
A A A my
A A A > >> friend who owns a new water based glass bead blasting
business
A A A that
A A A > >> even with substantial efforts made to protect the engine
or
A A tranny
A A A it
A A A > >> is very easy to have a A nominal amount of glass beading
find
A A it's
A A A way
A A A > >> into the engine or transmission and that's A the death
knoll for
A A A > >> either. A I wasn't aware of similar risks to the ZF A due
to
A A A polishing.
A A A > >> Thanks,
A A A > >> Boyd
A A A > >>
A A A > >> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Mike Drew
A A [24]<[1][10][24]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
A A A > >> wrote:
A A A > >>
A A A > >> I think Lloyd Butfoy charges $1200 for polishing. Of
course he
A A A would
A A A > >> never do it with the gearbox assembled.
A A A > >> I double any professional polisher will either.
A A A > >> Mike
A A A > >> Sent from my iPhone
A A A > >>
A A A > >> On Sep 13, 2014, at 21:55, Boyd Casey
[25]<[2][11][25]boyd411 at gmail.com>
A A A wrote:
A A A > >>> A A Just out of curiosity, I know there will be a wide
variance
A A A but
A A A > >> what do
A A A > >>> A A you think we be a reasonable price to polish a fully
A A A assembled zf
A A A > >> dash
A A A > >>> A A -2 with bell housing outside the car. Detached from
the
A A motor
A A A and
A A A > >>> A A delivered to a polishing shop. Do you think it would
be
A A A necessary
A A A > >> to
A A A > >>> A A take any steps to protect the ZF from intrusion of
polish
A A or
A A A any
A A A > >> other
A A A > >>> A A potential problems?
A A A > >>
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