[DeTomaso] NPC: Dan Neil's latest report excerpts
Will Kooiman
will.kooiman at gmail.com
Mon Sep 8 00:22:35 EDT 2014
Agreed.
I wasn¹t trying to beat anyone with the oldest tractor story. I know
there are people on the list with much older tractor stories, and besides,
this one wasn¹t even mine. It was my dad¹s.
My point was that he had a love affair with his tractors, even though they
were always breaking down, and difficult to operate when they were running.
It¹s similar to hot rodders having a love affair with manual transmissions.
On 9/7/14, 11:40 PM, "Bill Moore" <bill at incendium.com> wrote:
>Really a 4010 and next gen 4020 JD's are not old at all. Try a 720 or a
>830 and a real tractor the model "R".
>Bill Moore
>Incendium Supply
>Calgary
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>Sender: "DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at poca.com>Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014
>22:36:34
>To: <spkorb at gmail.com>; detomaso at poca.com<detomaso at poca.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Dan Neil's latest report excerpts
>
>I miss using a manual choke.
>
>Modernization is nice, but it divorces the driver from the machine.
>Sometimes I prefer to have to operate the machine. Not always, though.
>
>My dad had a John Deere 4010, a 4020, and an A-model. He refused to buy a
>new tractor, even though he could easily afford one. When he started the
>4010, he had to move the steering wheel back and forth. Somehow it
>disabled the power steering, and it cranked faster. I always thought it
>was because he was too cheap to buy a new tractor, and that might be it,
>but another possibility is he enjoyed dealing with the old tractor.
>
>
>On 9/7/14, 7:56 PM, "Sean Korb" <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's hard to imagine someone complaining about how much they enjoyed
>> cable operated timing advance and it's getting hard to imagine people
>> missing a manual choke or even feathering a carburettor at a light so
>> it won't stall... but I know we exist ;)
>> sean
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Bill Lewis <[1]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> A A Not to negate the article's content, nor your thought, I wonder
>> what
>> A A other times in history has this scenario occurred?
>> A A From: [2]cengles at cox.net
>> A A To: [3]detomaso at poca.com
>> A A Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 18:16:36 -0500
>> A A Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Dan Neil's latest report excerpts
>> Dear Forum,
>> A A A A A A A A A These excerpts are from Dan Neils car
>> article in the WSJ
>> from Sept 6th about the Porsche 911.
>> A A A A A A A A A A Standard transmissions in sports cars
>> are going the way
>> of the moa.A Ferrari doesnt sell one anymore, and neither does
>> Lamborghini.
>> Porsche and a few other auto makers (GM, Ford, Fiat-Chrysler) offer
>> them as
>> atavistic tokens of their performance heritage, bending over
>> backward to
>> appeal to the old, grouchy purists, but its a bit silly and all over
>> the
>> map.A The bat-guano fast Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat (707 hp/10.8
>> seconds
>> in theA 1/4 mile) has an optional eight-speed automatic
>> transmission.A Might as
>> well say TorqueFlite on it.
>> A A A A A A A A A A The 911 buyers other option is a
>> seven-speed
>> dual-clutch transmission, the fabulously named Porsche
>> Doppelkupplung, or
>> PDK, which essentially automates the function of a clutch pedal.
>> A A A A A A A A A A A A Around your average road racing
>> course, a
>> PDK-equipped 911 of any stripe will embarrass its manually shifted
>> twin.
>> A A A A A A A A A A Functionally, the manual transmission,
>> be it seven gears
>> or 70, the stick shift as Buz and Tod would say, is obsolete in
>> sports
>> cars.A Yes, right?A Were all agreed on that?A Automated
>> clutching=faster,
>> better.
>> A A A A A A A A A And can we not also agree that its a kind
>> of madness to
>> hang so lossy a thing as a manual gearbox on so rigorously optimized
>> an
>> engine as the 911s: naturally aspirated 3.4 liters, in the classic
>> horizontally opposedA six-cylinder configuration, four cams, with
>> phased
>> timing and lift on the intake and exhaust valves, direct injection,
>> 12.5:1
>> compression ratio, dry sump lubrication and a brain of the purest
>> silicon.
>> Nominal output is 350 hp at 7,400 rpm and 287 lb-ft of torque.
>> A A A A A A A A A To pair such a mill with a manual
>> transmission is
>> crippling.
>> A A A A A A A A A A The 911 with a stick accelerates from
>> 0 to 60 in 4.6
>> seconds; with PDK, that number is as low as 4.2 seconds.A A
>> difference of
>> four tenths officially!A If you were a German transmission engineer
>> and you
>> were four-tenths of a second slower getting to the coffee pot in the
>> morning
>> they would bin you.
>> A A A A A A A A A A And yet there it is: I want, I would
>> only have, the seven
>> speed manual transmission.A First, because those few tenths at 100%
>> throttle
>> are not actually that important to me and I, personally, would never
>> track
>> my daily driver.A Second, because Porsches seven speed shifter is
>> turned
>> out so beautifully, with lustrous aluminum and taut leather gusset
>> in the
>> center console, almost steampunk in its elegant antiquation.A
>> Third, its a
>> mechanical marvel: The weight, throw and uptake of the clutch pedal
>> and
>> frictionless linkages, the gate-homing precision of the shifter, all
>> impeccable, all to the sound of an upscale lumber mill.
>> A A A A A A A A A A A To feather the clutch lightly up a
>> hill, to rev
>> impetuously and dump the clutch when the floodlights hit.A Stop
>> thief!
>> Youve stolen our hearts.
>> A A A A A A A A A But its mostly because when youre good at
>> something---a
>> language, an instrument, or in my limited case, heel-and-toe
>> downshifting----theres joy in doing it.A A couple of mornings I
>> caught
>> myself skipping out to the car.
>> A A A A A A A A A A A So there you have it.A
>> A Automotive steampunks prefer
>> manual transmissions.A A I am a steampunk.
>> A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
>> Atavistically yours,A Chuck
>> Engles
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