[DeTomaso] Difference in 'stock' and returned to stock?

Wed Oct 15 23:40:31 EDT 2014

I have only seen / heard the "only original once" philosophy applied to things which CANNOT be put back to stock.
Once you have repainted a car it is impossible to return it to an "as it left the factory" paintjob.

But seats, wheels, air cleaners, etc which can be removed, kept in good condition, and reinstalled when desired are different-- they are original and as they left the factory and the fact that someone had a different seat in there at some point is indiscernible unless there are extra holes in the carpeting or whatever.  

Personally I do value patina some-- one should be able to look at a car and know it wasn't made last week.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
To: detomasoregistry <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>; Detomaso <Detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 4:43 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Difference in 'stock' and returned to stock?

   FWIW- some originality-freaks will pay extra for a
   destroyed-but-original paint job on rare cars (and on 200-year-old
   furniture as well!), so I'd say- Yes, it matters. One is Original which
   only happens one time, and one is Restored. There is no category called
   'returned-to-stock' for those people. One Club member found a 1911
   Model T in a barn 3 years ago, and got top dollar because it had never
   been worked on. It ran- sort of- but wasn't safe to drive; that didn't
   seem to matter to the buyers that showed up. The mouse nests, rust &
   corrosion also didn't matter. There are of course a dozen intermediate
   ownership positions, most of which I don't personally understand.
   My 2A-c-- J DeRyke

   -----Original Message-----
   From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
   To: List DeTomaso <Detomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 3:49 pm
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Difference in 'stock' and returned to stock?
   With the demand for original Panteras leading the value up, consider a
   car `returned' to original.

   I'm having a chat with a newbie to the registry regarding an original
   Pantera.

   I see that there might be a perceived difference in value between a
   Pantera that is stock (from new)

   and one that has been `returned' to stock.

   If a Pantera has been returned to stock condition does that make it
   worth less (or more) that a Pantera

   that has always been like it was when new?

   Take a simplified example, a Pantera that has been well enjoyed.  The
   wheels were changed sometime,

   along with seats, and some other minor things.  Then the car is sold,
   and the new owner repaints the engine,

   cleans up a bunch of stuff, finds some stock seats, and installs a set
   of Campy wheels (say even with Arriva tires).

   So now the car looks much closer to stock (or back to visibly
   all-stock).

   Just for an example... Say an original Pantera is worth $50,000.  What
   is a returned-to-stock Pantera worth?

   (Keep all other things the same for the sake of this comparison.  Same
   mileage, same condition)

   Does it really matter if it has been `returned'?

   Thoughts?

   Chuck

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   I have only seen / heard the "only original once" philosophy applied to
   things which CANNOT be put back to stock.

   Once you have repainted a car it is impossible to return it to an "as
   it left the factory" paintjob.

   But seats, wheels, air cleaners, etc which can be removed, kept in good
   condition, and reinstalled when desired are different-- they are
   original and as they left the factory and the fact that someone had a
   different seat in there at some point is indiscernible unless there are
   extra holes in the carpeting or whatever.

   Personally I do value patina some-- one should be able to look at a car
   and know it wasn't made last week.

   Jim

   -----Original Message-----
   From: Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
   To: detomasoregistry <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>; Detomaso
   <Detomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 4:43 pm
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Difference in 'stock' and returned to stock?
   FWIW- some originality-freaks will pay extra for a
   destroyed-but-original paint job on rare cars (and on 200-year-old
   furniture as well!), so I'd say- Yes, it matters. One is Original which
   only happens one time, and one is Restored. There is no category called
   'returned-to-stock' for those people. One Club member found a 1911
   Model T in a barn 3 years ago, and got top dollar because it had never
   been worked on. It ran- sort of- but wasn't safe to drive; that didn't
   seem to matter to the buyers that showed up. The mouse nests, rust &
   corrosion also didn't matter. There are of course a dozen intermediate
   ownership positions, most of which I don't personally understand.
   My 2A-c-- J DeRyke

   -----Original Message-----
   From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[1]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
   To: List DeTomaso <[2]Detomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 3:49 pm
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Difference in 'stock' and returned to stock?
   With the demand for original Panteras leading the value up, consider a
   car `returned' to original.