[DeTomaso] Best way to do a Distributorless Ignition System in a Pantera

michael at michaelshortt.com michael at michaelshortt.com
Tue Nov 25 12:27:49 EST 2014 

The fix for that is really simple, secure the sensor wire properly.
What I did (on my race cars) was fabricate an aluminum bracket to hold the
sensor and on the back of it, machined a small channel to lay the wire,
then secured it with linear tape to keep it in place and not moving around.

It never failed, I also kept a another sensor in my spares ( cheaper and
smaller than carrying a spare MSD box like I do now ).

Michael Shortt
 On Nov 25, 2014 12:09 PM, "Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:

>    Biggest problem with Electramotive distributor-less ignitions in years
>    past seems to be, the original pickup sensors had a long unsupported
>    wire going to the pickup that will vibration-crack, and the engine will
>    abruptly quit. There is no fix for the sealed unit; replace the pickup.
>    An industry rep once criticized Electramotive's pickup sensor build
>    quality, but all the failures I've seen (three!) involved the sensor
>    lead if left unsupported. One Pantera owner I know carried a spare
>    sensor plus a spare brain-box with him for years; maybe nowadays their
>    quality is better.
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com>
>    To: michael <michael at michaelshortt.com>
>    Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>; San Diego Panteras
>    <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
>    Sent: Tue, Nov 25, 2014 8:02 am
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best way to do a Distributorless Ignition
>    System in a Pantera
> I second what Michael said, Electromotive does it all.
>
> Leslie A. Gray
>
> > On Nov 25, 2014, at 3:26 AM, "[1]michael at michaelshortt.com"
> <[2]michael at michae
> lshortt.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >   Simply buy an Electromotive system, best one out there.
> >
> >   Michael Shortt
> >
> >   On Nov 25, 2014 3:39 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1][3]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> >     A  A I found this:
> >     A  A [1][2][4]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
> >     A  A Only thing is I am running a FAST crank trigger with MSD Box
> >     and crank
> >     A  A trigger locked distributor now. On my 351C with EFI now the ECU
> >     is
> >     A  A controlling the spark, sends a signal to the MSD to fire the
> >     coil. I
> >     A  A was looking for something like this for the small form factor
> >     and
> >     A  A individual coil packs. This would take the place of the MSD
> >     box, I
> >     A  A think?
> >     A  A Anyway the above seams simpler than this:
> >     A
> >     A [2][3][5]
> http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/10
> >     21035995
> >     A  A Any other suggestions?
> >     A  A Another possible option:
> >     A  A Run one of these with 2 coil packs for a wasted spark system to
> >     replace
> >     A  A my current MSD box:
> >     A
> >     A [3][4][6]
> http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorles
> >     s/Igniti
> >     A  A ons/62112-DIS-2_Plus_Distributorless_2_Channel.aspx
> >     A  A Just not sure how to trigger it... needs two triggers.
> >     A  A Thanks, [4]Ed
> >     References
> >     A  A 1. [5][7]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
> >     A  A 2.
> >     [6][8]
> http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/1021035
> >     995
> >     A  A 3.
> >     [7][9]
> http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Ign
> >     itions/62112-DIS-2_Plus_Distributorless_2_Channel.aspx
> >     A  A 4. [8][10]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
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> > References
> >
> >   1. [13]mailto:edducati at mac.com
> >   2. [14]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
> >   3. [15]
> http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/1021035995
> >   4. [16]
> http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Igniti
> >   5. [17]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
> >   6. [18]
> http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/1021035995
> >   7. [19]
> http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Ignitio
> ns/62112-DIS-2_Plus_Distributorless_2_Channel.aspx
> >   8. [20]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> >   9. [21]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >  10. [22]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> References
>
>    1. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>    2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>    3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>    4. http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
>    5. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/10
>    6. http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorles
>    7. http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
>    8. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/1021035
>    9. http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Ign
>   10. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>   11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>   12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>   13. mailto:edducati at mac.com?
>   14. http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
>   15. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/1021035995
>   16. http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Igniti
>   17. http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
>   18. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/1021035995
>   19.
> http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Ignitions/62112-DIS-2_Plus_Distributorless_2_Channel.aspx
>   20. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>   21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
>   22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>   23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>   24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>   25. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>   26. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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   The fix for that is really simple, secure the sensor wire properly.
   What I did (on my race cars) was fabricate an aluminum bracket to hold
   the sensor and on the back of it, machined a small channel to lay the
   wire, then secured it with linear tape to keep it in place and not
   moving around.

   It never failed, I also kept a another sensor in my spares ( cheaper
   and smaller than carrying a spare MSD box like I do now ).

   Michael Shortt

   On Nov 25, 2014 12:09 PM, "Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso"
   <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:

     A  A Biggest problem with Electramotive distributor-less ignitions
     in years
     A  A past seems to be, the original pickup sensors had a long
     unsupported
     A  A wire going to the pickup that will vibration-crack, and the
     engine will
     A  A abruptly quit. There is no fix for the sealed unit; replace the
     pickup.
     A  A An industry rep once criticized Electramotive's pickup sensor
     build
     A  A quality, but all the failures I've seen (three!) involved the
     sensor
     A  A lead if left unsupported. One Pantera owner I know carried a
     spare
     A  A sensor plus a spare brain-box with him for years; maybe
     nowadays their
     A  A quality is better.
     A  A -----Original Message-----
     A  A From: L GRAY <[2]tipo874a at msn.com>
     A  A To: michael <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com>
     A  A Cc: detomaso <[4]detomaso at poca.com>; San Diego Panteras
     A  A <[5]sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
     A  A Sent: Tue, Nov 25, 2014 8:02 am
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best way to do a Distributorless
     Ignition
     A  A System in a Pantera
     I second what Michael said, Electromotive does it all.
     Leslie A. Gray
     > On Nov 25, 2014, at 3:26 AM, "[1][6]michael at michaelshortt.com"
     <[2]michael at michae
     [7]lshortt.com>
     wrote:
     >
     >A  A Simply buy an Electromotive system, best one out there.
     >
     >A  A Michael Shortt
     >
     >A  A On Nov 25, 2014 3:39 AM, "Ed Mendez"
     <[1][3][8]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
     >
     >A  A  A AA  A I found this:
     >A  A  A AA  A [1][2][4][9]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
     >A  A  A AA  A Only thing is I am running a FAST crank trigger with
     MSD Box
     >A  A  A and crank
     >A  A  A AA  A trigger locked distributor now. On my 351C with EFI
     now the ECU
     >A  A  A is
     >A  A  A AA  A controlling the spark, sends a signal to the MSD to
     fire the
     >A  A  A coil. I
     >A  A  A AA  A was looking for something like this for the small
     form factor
     >A  A  A and
     >A  A  A AA  A individual coil packs. This would take the place of
     the MSD
     >A  A  A box, I
     >A  A  A AA  A think?
     >A  A  A AA  A Anyway the above seams simpler than this:
     >A  A  A A
     >A  A  A A
     [2][3][5][10]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562
     /m/10
     >A  A  A 21035995
     >A  A  A AA  A Any other suggestions?
     >A  A  A AA  A Another possible option:
     >A  A  A AA  A Run one of these with 2 coil packs for a wasted spark
     system to
     >A  A  A replace
     >A  A  A AA  A my current MSD box:
     >A  A  A A
     >A  A  A A
     [3][4][6][11]http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distribut
     orles
     >A  A  A s/Igniti
     >A  A  A AA  A ons/62112-DIS-2_Plus_Distributorless_2_Channel.aspx
     >A  A  A AA  A Just not sure how to trigger it... needs two
     triggers.
     >A  A  A AA  A Thanks, [4]Ed
     >A  A  A References
     >A  A  A AA  A 1. [5][7][12]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
     >A  A  A AA  A 2.
     >A  A
     A [6][8][13]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/
     m/1021035
     >A  A  A 995
     >A  A  A AA  A 3.
     >A  A
     A [7][9][14]http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributo
     rless/Ign
     >A  A  A itions/62112-DIS-2_Plus_Distributorless_2_Channel.aspx
     >A  A  A AA  A 4. [8][10][15]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
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     >
     > References
     >
     >A  A 1. [13]mailto:[18]edducati at mac.com
     >A  A 2. [14][19]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
     >A  A 3.
     [15][20]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/10
     21035995
     >A  A 4.
     [16][21]http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorles
     s/Igniti
     >A  A 5. [17][22]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
     >A  A 6.
     [18][23]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/10
     21035995
     >A  A 7.
     [19][24]http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorles
     s/Ignitio
     ns/62112-DIS-2_Plus_Distributorless_2_Channel.aspx
     >A  A 8. [20][25]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
     >A  A 9. [21]mailto:[26]DeTomaso at poca.com
     >A  10. [22][27]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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     A  A 1. mailto:[32]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  A 2. mailto:[33]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A  A 3. mailto:[34]edducati at mac.com
     A  A 4. [35]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
     A  A 5.
     [36]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/10
     A  A 6.
     [37]http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorles
     A  A 7. [38]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
     A  A 8.
     [39]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/102103
     5
     A  A 9.
     [40]http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Ig
     n
     A  10. [41]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
     A  11. mailto:[42]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  12. [43]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     A  13. mailto:[44]edducati at mac.com?
     A  14. [45]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
     A  15.
     [46]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/102103
     5995
     A  16.
     [47]http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Ig
     niti
     A  17. [48]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
     A  18.
     [49]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/102103
     5995
     A  19.
     [50]http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Ig
     nitions/62112-DIS-2_Plus_Distributorless_2_Channel.aspx
     A  20. [51]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
     A  21. mailto:[52]DeTomaso at poca.com?
     A  22. [53]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     A  23. mailto:[54]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  24. [55]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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