[DeTomaso] Best way to do a Distributorless Ignition System in a Pantera
michael at michaelshortt.com
michael at michaelshortt.com
Tue Nov 25 12:27:49 EST 2014
The fix for that is really simple, secure the sensor wire properly.
What I did (on my race cars) was fabricate an aluminum bracket to hold the
sensor and on the back of it, machined a small channel to lay the wire,
then secured it with linear tape to keep it in place and not moving around.
It never failed, I also kept a another sensor in my spares ( cheaper and
smaller than carrying a spare MSD box like I do now ).
Michael Shortt
On Nov 25, 2014 12:09 PM, "Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:
> Biggest problem with Electramotive distributor-less ignitions in years
> past seems to be, the original pickup sensors had a long unsupported
> wire going to the pickup that will vibration-crack, and the engine will
> abruptly quit. There is no fix for the sealed unit; replace the pickup.
> An industry rep once criticized Electramotive's pickup sensor build
> quality, but all the failures I've seen (three!) involved the sensor
> lead if left unsupported. One Pantera owner I know carried a spare
> sensor plus a spare brain-box with him for years; maybe nowadays their
> quality is better.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com>
> To: michael <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>; San Diego Panteras
> <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 25, 2014 8:02 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best way to do a Distributorless Ignition
> System in a Pantera
> I second what Michael said, Electromotive does it all.
>
> Leslie A. Gray
>
> > On Nov 25, 2014, at 3:26 AM, "[1]michael at michaelshortt.com"
> <[2]michael at michae
> lshortt.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Simply buy an Electromotive system, best one out there.
> >
> > Michael Shortt
> >
> > On Nov 25, 2014 3:39 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1][3]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > A A I found this:
> > A A [1][2][4]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
> > A A Only thing is I am running a FAST crank trigger with MSD Box
> > and crank
> > A A trigger locked distributor now. On my 351C with EFI now the ECU
> > is
> > A A controlling the spark, sends a signal to the MSD to fire the
> > coil. I
> > A A was looking for something like this for the small form factor
> > and
> > A A individual coil packs. This would take the place of the MSD
> > box, I
> > A A think?
> > A A Anyway the above seams simpler than this:
> > A
> > A [2][3][5]
> http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/10
> > 21035995
> > A A Any other suggestions?
> > A A Another possible option:
> > A A Run one of these with 2 coil packs for a wasted spark system to
> > replace
> > A A my current MSD box:
> > A
> > A [3][4][6]
> http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorles
> > s/Igniti
> > A A ons/62112-DIS-2_Plus_Distributorless_2_Channel.aspx
> > A A Just not sure how to trigger it... needs two triggers.
> > A A Thanks, [4]Ed
> > References
> > A A 1. [5][7]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
> > A A 2.
> > [6][8]
> http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/1021035
> > 995
> > A A 3.
> > [7][9]
> http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Ign
> > itions/62112-DIS-2_Plus_Distributorless_2_Channel.aspx
> > A A 4. [8][10]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
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> > 1. [13]mailto:edducati at mac.com
> > 2. [14]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
> > 3. [15]
> http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/1021035995
> > 4. [16]
> http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Igniti
> > 5. [17]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
> > 6. [18]
> http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/1021035995
> > 7. [19]
> http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Ignitio
> ns/62112-DIS-2_Plus_Distributorless_2_Channel.aspx
> > 8. [20]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> > 9. [21]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 10. [22]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> References
>
> 1. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 2. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 4. http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
> 5. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/10
> 6. http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorles
> 7. http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
> 8. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/1021035
> 9. http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Ign
> 10. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> 11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 13. mailto:edducati at mac.com?
> 14. http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
> 15. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/1021035995
> 16. http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Igniti
> 17. http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
> 18. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/1021035995
> 19.
> http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Ignitions/62112-DIS-2_Plus_Distributorless_2_Channel.aspx
> 20. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
> 21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
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The fix for that is really simple, secure the sensor wire properly.
What I did (on my race cars) was fabricate an aluminum bracket to hold
the sensor and on the back of it, machined a small channel to lay the
wire, then secured it with linear tape to keep it in place and not
moving around.
It never failed, I also kept a another sensor in my spares ( cheaper
and smaller than carrying a spare MSD box like I do now ).
Michael Shortt
On Nov 25, 2014 12:09 PM, "Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso"
<[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
A A Biggest problem with Electramotive distributor-less ignitions
in years
A A past seems to be, the original pickup sensors had a long
unsupported
A A wire going to the pickup that will vibration-crack, and the
engine will
A A abruptly quit. There is no fix for the sealed unit; replace the
pickup.
A A An industry rep once criticized Electramotive's pickup sensor
build
A A quality, but all the failures I've seen (three!) involved the
sensor
A A lead if left unsupported. One Pantera owner I know carried a
spare
A A sensor plus a spare brain-box with him for years; maybe
nowadays their
A A quality is better.
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: L GRAY <[2]tipo874a at msn.com>
A A To: michael <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com>
A A Cc: detomaso <[4]detomaso at poca.com>; San Diego Panteras
A A <[5]sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
A A Sent: Tue, Nov 25, 2014 8:02 am
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Best way to do a Distributorless
Ignition
A A System in a Pantera
I second what Michael said, Electromotive does it all.
Leslie A. Gray
> On Nov 25, 2014, at 3:26 AM, "[1][6]michael at michaelshortt.com"
<[2]michael at michae
[7]lshortt.com>
wrote:
>
>A A Simply buy an Electromotive system, best one out there.
>
>A A Michael Shortt
>
>A A On Nov 25, 2014 3:39 AM, "Ed Mendez"
<[1][3][8]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>
>A A A AA A I found this:
>A A A AA A [1][2][4][9]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
>A A A AA A Only thing is I am running a FAST crank trigger with
MSD Box
>A A A and crank
>A A A AA A trigger locked distributor now. On my 351C with EFI
now the ECU
>A A A is
>A A A AA A controlling the spark, sends a signal to the MSD to
fire the
>A A A coil. I
>A A A AA A was looking for something like this for the small
form factor
>A A A and
>A A A AA A individual coil packs. This would take the place of
the MSD
>A A A box, I
>A A A AA A think?
>A A A AA A Anyway the above seams simpler than this:
>A A A A
>A A A A
[2][3][5][10]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562
/m/10
>A A A 21035995
>A A A AA A Any other suggestions?
>A A A AA A Another possible option:
>A A A AA A Run one of these with 2 coil packs for a wasted spark
system to
>A A A replace
>A A A AA A my current MSD box:
>A A A A
>A A A A
[3][4][6][11]http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distribut
orles
>A A A s/Igniti
>A A A AA A ons/62112-DIS-2_Plus_Distributorless_2_Channel.aspx
>A A A AA A Just not sure how to trigger it... needs two
triggers.
>A A A AA A Thanks, [4]Ed
>A A A References
>A A A AA A 1. [5][7][12]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
>A A A AA A 2.
>A A
A [6][8][13]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/
m/1021035
>A A A 995
>A A A AA A 3.
>A A
A [7][9][14]http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributo
rless/Ign
>A A A itions/62112-DIS-2_Plus_Distributorless_2_Channel.aspx
>A A A AA A 4. [8][10][15]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
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>
>A A 1. [13]mailto:[18]edducati at mac.com
>A A 2. [14][19]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
>A A 3.
[15][20]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/10
21035995
>A A 4.
[16][21]http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorles
s/Igniti
>A A 5. [17][22]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
>A A 6.
[18][23]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/10
21035995
>A A 7.
[19][24]http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorles
s/Ignitio
ns/62112-DIS-2_Plus_Distributorless_2_Channel.aspx
>A A 8. [20][25]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
>A A 9. [21]mailto:[26]DeTomaso at poca.com
>A 10. [22][27]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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A A 3. mailto:[34]edducati at mac.com
A A 4. [35]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
A A 5.
[36]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/10
A A 6.
[37]http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorles
A A 7. [38]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
A A 8.
[39]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/102103
5
A A 9.
[40]http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Ig
n
A 10. [41]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
A 11. mailto:[42]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 12. [43]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 13. mailto:[44]edducati at mac.com?
A 14. [45]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
A 15.
[46]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/102103
5995
A 16.
[47]http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Ig
niti
A 17. [48]http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
A 18.
[49]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/102103
5995
A 19.
[50]http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Ig
nitions/62112-DIS-2_Plus_Distributorless_2_Channel.aspx
A 20. [51]https://www.facebook.com/edducati
A 21. mailto:[52]DeTomaso at poca.com?
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7. http://lshortt.com/
8. mailto:edducati at mac.com
9. http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
10. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/10
11. http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorles
12. http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
13. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/1021035
14. http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Ign
15. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
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20. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/1021035995
21. http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Igniti
22. http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
23. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/1021035995
24. http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Ignitions/62112-DIS-2_Plus_Distributorless_2_Channel.aspx
25. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
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34. mailto:edducati at mac.com
35. http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
36. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/10
37. http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorles
38. http://compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm
39. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/1021035
40. http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Ignitions/Distributorless/Ign
41. https://www.facebook.com/edducati
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44. mailto:edducati at mac.com
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46. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/1021035995
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