[DeTomaso] ZF Gear Oil Recommendations
John Taphorn
jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
Sun Nov 2 11:33:33 EST 2014
I would add that there is no reason to let it drain after it starts
dripping. It would not make a material difference in dilution of your
new fluid.
JT
On 11/2/2014 10:24 AM, Julian Kift wrote:
> It's a 17mm Allen wrench, the crux is getting something short enough
> for access to the similarly sized fill plug on the side.
> I managed to find a 17mm Allen wrench locally, then went at it with a
> hacksaw cutting off a section long enough to sit in and extend out of a
> 17mm socket. Chuck has a nice stubby one shown on his site that
> achieves the same and saves some work.
> http://www.provamo.com/Members/Parts4Sale/ZFDrainPlugTool.asp
> Julian
> > From: demongusta at me.com
> > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 07:54:57 -0800
> > To: pantdino at aol.com
> > CC: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF Gear Oil Recommendations
> >
> > While on the subject, what wrench is used to remove the ZF plug? On
> the last discussion, I remember someone saying to allow an over-night
> drainage to get every last drop. Mine hasn't been changed in years and
> I am feeling guilty. Thought I would drive the car, get good and warm,
> then let it drain for a day or two - whatever it takes. But the wrench?
> > Thanks to all for this List.
> >
> >
> > On Nov 1, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > My understanding is that GL5 oils can harm "yellow" metals like
> brass
> > > in a gearbox so it is better to not use them if you can avoid it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > GL4 oils like Red Line's MT-90, which is a 75w-90 "Manual
> Transmission
> > > and Transaxle Lubricant" per the label might be a good choice, too,
> but
> > > then you wonder if the steel parts are getting enough protection.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What you DO NOT want to use is generic GL5 gear oil that says
> "approved
> > > for use in limited slip axles" because that has the limited slip
> > > additive that Les talks about.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim Oddie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> > > To: R.J <willibillie at live.de>
> > > Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> > > Sent: Sat, Nov 1, 2014 12:56 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF Gear Oil Recommendations
> > > Roland,
> > >
> > > That's interesting to hear. The De Tomaso owners manual and ford
> shop manual
> > > both call for GL5. I wonder why there is a difference?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Nov 1, 2014, at 11:22, R.J <[1]willibillie at live.de> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Very strange. ZF here in Germany says it is not allowed to use GL5
> > >> spec's in the transaxle. The GL5 is an additiv for the limited
> slip
> > >> differenzial and should NOT be used in any manual gearbox, because
> the
> > >> additive lubes the syncros.
> > >> Just my little knowledge.
> > >> Roland Jaeckel
> > >>
> > >> Am 01.11.2014 um 17:44 schrieb Mike Drew via DeTomaso:
> > >>
> > >> In a message dated 11/1/14 9 10 5, [1][2]flisi at si.rr.com writes:
> > >>
> > >> Need to change the ZF's oil. Any recommendations?
> > >>
> > >>>>> I use CRC oil, made by Sta-Lube. It's arguably no better or
> worse
> > >> than any other oil you can get, BUT you are assured that it is the
> > >> proper GL5 spec. As a wonderful bonus, it's available in
> one-gallon
> > >> jugs, and you can buy an optional pump which threads onto the
> bottle.
> > >> Each pump meters out exactly one ounce, which is a beautiful
> thing.
> > >> Rather than struggling with long quart bottles, you simply set the
> jug
> > >> atop the gearbox, insert the end of the hose into the side, and
> pump
> > >> merrily away. You'll need 7 1/2 US pints, which is damn near a
> gallon.
> > >> See attached photo....I got mine at the local NAPA auto parts
> store,
> > >> along with the pump. Usually my store has it in stock; last time
> they
> > >> only had pint bottles so I had to order it, and it arrived the
> next
> > >> day.
> > >> Mike
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >> 1. [5]mailto:flisi at si.rr.com
> > >> 2. [6]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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> > > 1. mailto:willibillie at live.de
> > > 2. mailto:flisi at si.rr.com
> > > 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > > 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > > 5. mailto:flisi at si.rr.com?
> > > 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
> > > 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > > 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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I would add that there is no reason to let it drain after it starts
dripping. It would not make a material difference in dilution of your
new fluid.
JT
On 11/2/2014 10:24 AM, Julian Kift wrote:
It's a 17mm Allen wrench, the crux is getting something short enough
for access to the similarly sized fill plug on the side.
I managed to find a 17mm Allen wrench locally, then went at it with a
hacksaw cutting off a section long enough to sit in and extend out of a
17mm socket. Chuck has a nice stubby one shown on his site that
achieves the same and saves some work.
[1]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Parts4Sale/ZFDrainPlugTool.asp
Julian
> From: [2]demongusta at me.com
> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 07:54:57 -0800
> To: [3]pantdino at aol.com
> CC: [4]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF Gear Oil Recommendations
>
> While on the subject, what wrench is used to remove the ZF plug? On
the last discussion, I remember someone saying to allow an over-night
drainage to get every last drop. Mine hasn't been changed in years and
I am feeling guilty. Thought I would drive the car, get good and warm,
then let it drain for a day or two - whatever it takes. But the wrench?
> Thanks to all for this List.
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso [5]<detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:
>
> > My understanding is that GL5 oils can harm "yellow" metals like
brass
> > in a gearbox so it is better to not use them if you can avoid it.
> >
> >
> >
> > GL4 oils like Red Line's MT-90, which is a 75w-90 "Manual
Transmission
> > and Transaxle Lubricant" per the label might be a good choice, too,
but
> > then you wonder if the steel parts are getting enough protection.
> >
> >
> >
> > What you DO NOT want to use is generic GL5 gear oil that says
"approved
> > for use in limited slip axles" because that has the limited slip
> > additive that Les talks about.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Oddie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [6]<detomaso at poca.com>
> > To: R.J [7]<willibillie at live.de>
> > Cc: detomaso [8]<detomaso at poca.com>
> > Sent: Sat, Nov 1, 2014 12:56 pm
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF Gear Oil Recommendations
> > Roland,
> >
> > That's interesting to hear. The De Tomaso owners manual and ford
shop manual
> > both call for GL5. I wonder why there is a difference?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 1, 2014, at 11:22, R.J [9]<[1]willibillie at live.de> wrote:
> >
> >> Very strange. ZF here in Germany says it is not allowed to use GL5
> >> spec's in the transaxle. The GL5 is an additiv for the limited
slip
> >> differenzial and should NOT be used in any manual gearbox, because
the
> >> additive lubes the syncros.
> >> Just my little knowledge.
> >> Roland Jaeckel
> >>
> >> Am 01.11.2014 um 17:44 schrieb Mike Drew via DeTomaso:
> >>
> >> In a message dated 11/1/14 9 10 5, [1][[10]2]flisi at si.rr.com writes:
> >>
> >> Need to change the ZF's oil. Any recommendations?
> >>
> >>>>> I use CRC oil, made by Sta-Lube. It's arguably no better or
worse
> >> than any other oil you can get, BUT you are assured that it is the
> >> proper GL5 spec. As a wonderful bonus, it's available in
one-gallon
> >> jugs, and you can buy an optional pump which threads onto the
bottle.
> >> Each pump meters out exactly one ounce, which is a beautiful
thing.
> >> Rather than struggling with long quart bottles, you simply set the
jug
> >> atop the gearbox, insert the end of the hose into the side, and
pump
> >> merrily away. You'll need 7 1/2 US pints, which is damn near a
gallon.
> >> See attached photo....I got mine at the local NAPA auto parts
store,
> >> along with the pump. Usually my store has it in stock; last time
they
> >> only had pint bottles so I had to order it, and it arrived the
next
> >> day.
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
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> >> References
> >>
> >> 1. [5][13]mailto:flisi at si.rr.com
> >> 2. [6][14]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> 3. [7][15]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> > References
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> > 1. [20]mailto:willibillie at live.de
> > 2. [21]mailto:flisi at si.rr.com
> > 3. [22]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > 4. [23]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 5. [24]mailto:flisi at si.rr.com?
> > 6. [25]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
> > 7. [26]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > 8. [27]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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2. mailto:demongusta at me.com
3. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
7. mailto:willibillie at live.de
8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
9. mailto:[1]willibillie at live.de
10. mailto:2]flisi at si.rr.com
11. mailto:3]DeTomaso at poca.com
12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
13. mailto:flisi at si.rr.com
14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
16. mailto:8]DeTomaso at poca.com
17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
18. mailto:10]DeTomaso at poca.com
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20. mailto:willibillie at live.de
21. mailto:flisi at si.rr.com
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