[DeTomaso] ZF Gear Oil Recommendations

John Taphorn jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
Sun Nov 2 11:33:33 EST 2014


I would add that there is no reason to let it drain after it starts 
dripping.  It would not make a material difference in dilution of your 
new fluid.

JT
On 11/2/2014 10:24 AM, Julian Kift wrote:
>     It's a 17mm Allen wrench, the crux is getting something short enough
>     for access to the similarly sized fill plug on the side.
>     I managed to find a 17mm Allen wrench locally, then went at it with a
>     hacksaw cutting off a section long enough to sit in and extend out of a
>     17mm socket. Chuck has a nice stubby one shown on his site that
>     achieves the same and saves some work.
>     http://www.provamo.com/Members/Parts4Sale/ZFDrainPlugTool.asp
>     Julian
>     > From: demongusta at me.com
>     > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 07:54:57 -0800
>     > To: pantdino at aol.com
>     > CC: detomaso at poca.com
>     > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF Gear Oil Recommendations
>     >
>     > While on the subject, what wrench is used to remove the ZF plug? On
>     the last discussion, I remember someone saying to allow an over-night
>     drainage to get every last drop. Mine hasn't been changed in years and
>     I am feeling guilty. Thought I would drive the car, get good and warm,
>     then let it drain for a day or two - whatever it takes. But the wrench?
>     > Thanks to all for this List.
>     >
>     >
>     > On Nov 1, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>     wrote:
>     >
>     > > My understanding is that GL5 oils can harm "yellow" metals like
>     brass
>     > > in a gearbox so it is better to not use them if you can avoid it.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > GL4 oils like Red Line's MT-90, which is a 75w-90 "Manual
>     Transmission
>     > > and Transaxle Lubricant" per the label might be a good choice, too,
>     but
>     > > then you wonder if the steel parts are getting enough protection.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > What you DO NOT want to use is generic GL5 gear oil that says
>     "approved
>     > > for use in limited slip axles" because that has the limited slip
>     > > additive that Les talks about.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > Jim Oddie
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > -----Original Message-----
>     > > From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>     > > To: R.J <willibillie at live.de>
>     > > Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>     > > Sent: Sat, Nov 1, 2014 12:56 pm
>     > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF Gear Oil Recommendations
>     > > Roland,
>     > >
>     > > That's interesting to hear. The De Tomaso owners manual and ford
>     shop manual
>     > > both call for GL5. I wonder why there is a difference?
>     > >
>     > > Mike
>     > >
>     > > Sent from my iPhone
>     > >
>     > > On Nov 1, 2014, at 11:22, R.J <[1]willibillie at live.de> wrote:
>     > >
>     > >> Very strange. ZF here in Germany says it is not allowed to use GL5
>     > >> spec's in the transaxle. The GL5 is an additiv for the limited
>     slip
>     > >> differenzial and should NOT be used in any manual gearbox, because
>     the
>     > >> additive lubes the syncros.
>     > >> Just my little knowledge.
>     > >> Roland Jaeckel
>     > >>
>     > >> Am 01.11.2014 um 17:44 schrieb Mike Drew via DeTomaso:
>     > >>
>     > >> In a message dated 11/1/14 9 10 5, [1][2]flisi at si.rr.com writes:
>     > >>
>     > >> Need to change the ZF's oil. Any recommendations?
>     > >>
>     > >>>>> I use CRC oil, made by Sta-Lube. It's arguably no better or
>     worse
>     > >> than any other oil you can get, BUT you are assured that it is the
>     > >> proper GL5 spec. As a wonderful bonus, it's available in
>     one-gallon
>     > >> jugs, and you can buy an optional pump which threads onto the
>     bottle.
>     > >> Each pump meters out exactly one ounce, which is a beautiful
>     thing.
>     > >> Rather than struggling with long quart bottles, you simply set the
>     jug
>     > >> atop the gearbox, insert the end of the hose into the side, and
>     pump
>     > >> merrily away. You'll need 7 1/2 US pints, which is damn near a
>     gallon.
>     > >> See attached photo....I got mine at the local NAPA auto parts
>     store,
>     > >> along with the pump. Usually my store has it in stock; last time
>     they
>     > >> only had pint bottles so I had to order it, and it arrived the
>     next
>     > >> day.
>     > >> Mike
>     > >>
>     > >>
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>     > >> References
>     > >>
>     > >> 1. [5]mailto:flisi at si.rr.com
>     > >> 2. [6]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>     > >> 3. [7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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>     > > References
>     > >
>     > > 1. mailto:willibillie at live.de
>     > > 2. mailto:flisi at si.rr.com
>     > > 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>     > > 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>     > > 5. mailto:flisi at si.rr.com?
>     > > 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
>     > > 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>     > > 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>     > > 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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   I would add that there is no reason to let it drain after it starts
   dripping.  It would not make a material difference in dilution of your
   new fluid.
   JT

   On 11/2/2014 10:24 AM, Julian Kift wrote:

   It's a 17mm Allen wrench, the crux is getting something short enough
   for access to the similarly sized fill plug on the side.
   I managed to find a 17mm Allen wrench locally, then went at it with a
   hacksaw cutting off a section long enough to sit in and extend out of a
   17mm socket. Chuck has a nice stubby one shown on his site that
   achieves the same and saves some work.
   [1]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Parts4Sale/ZFDrainPlugTool.asp
   Julian
   > From: [2]demongusta at me.com
   > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 07:54:57 -0800
   > To: [3]pantdino at aol.com
   > CC: [4]detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF Gear Oil Recommendations
   >
   > While on the subject, what wrench is used to remove the ZF plug? On
   the last discussion, I remember someone saying to allow an over-night
   drainage to get every last drop. Mine hasn't been changed in years and
   I am feeling guilty. Thought I would drive the car, get good and warm,
   then let it drain for a day or two - whatever it takes. But the wrench?
   > Thanks to all for this List.
   >
   >
   > On Nov 1, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso [5]<detomaso at poca.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > > My understanding is that GL5 oils can harm "yellow" metals like
   brass
   > > in a gearbox so it is better to not use them if you can avoid it.
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > GL4 oils like Red Line's MT-90, which is a 75w-90 "Manual
   Transmission
   > > and Transaxle Lubricant" per the label might be a good choice, too,
   but
   > > then you wonder if the steel parts are getting enough protection.
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > What you DO NOT want to use is generic GL5 gear oil that says
   "approved
   > > for use in limited slip axles" because that has the limited slip
   > > additive that Les talks about.
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > Jim Oddie
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > -----Original Message-----
   > > From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [6]<detomaso at poca.com>
   > > To: R.J [7]<willibillie at live.de>
   > > Cc: detomaso [8]<detomaso at poca.com>
   > > Sent: Sat, Nov 1, 2014 12:56 pm
   > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF Gear Oil Recommendations
   > > Roland,
   > >
   > > That's interesting to hear. The De Tomaso owners manual and ford
   shop manual
   > > both call for GL5. I wonder why there is a difference?
   > >
   > > Mike
   > >
   > > Sent from my iPhone
   > >
   > > On Nov 1, 2014, at 11:22, R.J [9]<[1]willibillie at live.de> wrote:
   > >
   > >> Very strange. ZF here in Germany says it is not allowed to use GL5
   > >> spec's in the transaxle. The GL5 is an additiv for the limited
   slip
   > >> differenzial and should NOT be used in any manual gearbox, because
   the
   > >> additive lubes the syncros.
   > >> Just my little knowledge.
   > >> Roland Jaeckel
   > >>
   > >> Am 01.11.2014 um 17:44 schrieb Mike Drew via DeTomaso:
   > >>
   > >> In a message dated 11/1/14 9 10 5, [1][[10]2]flisi at si.rr.com writes:
   > >>
   > >> Need to change the ZF's oil. Any recommendations?
   > >>
   > >>>>> I use CRC oil, made by Sta-Lube. It's arguably no better or
   worse
   > >> than any other oil you can get, BUT you are assured that it is the
   > >> proper GL5 spec. As a wonderful bonus, it's available in
   one-gallon
   > >> jugs, and you can buy an optional pump which threads onto the
   bottle.
   > >> Each pump meters out exactly one ounce, which is a beautiful
   thing.
   > >> Rather than struggling with long quart bottles, you simply set the
   jug
   > >> atop the gearbox, insert the end of the hose into the side, and
   pump
   > >> merrily away. You'll need 7 1/2 US pints, which is damn near a
   gallon.
   > >> See attached photo....I got mine at the local NAPA auto parts
   store,
   > >> along with the pump. Usually my store has it in stock; last time
   they
   > >> only had pint bottles so I had to order it, and it arrived the
   next
   > >> day.
   > >> Mike
   > >>
   > >>
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   > >>
   > >> References
   > >>
   > >> 1. [5][13]mailto:flisi at si.rr.com
   > >> 2. [6][14]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > >> 3. [7][15]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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   > > References
   > >
   > > 1. [20]mailto:willibillie at live.de
   > > 2. [21]mailto:flisi at si.rr.com
   > > 3. [22]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > > 4. [23]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > > 5. [24]mailto:flisi at si.rr.com?
   > > 6. [25]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
   > > 7. [26]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > > 8. [27]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > > 9. [28]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > > 10. [29]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > > 11. [30]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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