[DeTomaso] ZF Gear Oil Recommendations

John Donahue demongusta at me.com
Sun Nov 2 11:32:46 EST 2014 

Thank You
On Nov 2, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

> It's a 17mm Allen wrench, the crux is getting something short enough for access to the similarly sized fill plug on the side.
> 
> I managed to find a 17mm Allen wrench locally, then went at it with a hacksaw cutting off a section long enough to sit in and extend out of a 17mm socket. Chuck has a nice stubby one shown on his site that achieves the same and saves some work.
> 
> http://www.provamo.com/Members/Parts4Sale/ZFDrainPlugTool.asp
> 
> Julian
> 
> > From: demongusta at me.com
> > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 07:54:57 -0800
> > To: pantdino at aol.com
> > CC: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF Gear Oil Recommendations
> > 
> > While on the subject, what wrench is used to remove the ZF plug? On the last discussion, I remember someone saying to allow an over-night drainage to get every last drop. Mine hasn't been changed in years and I am feeling guilty. Thought I would drive the car, get good and warm, then let it drain for a day or two - whatever it takes. But the wrench?
> > Thanks to all for this List.
> > 
> > 
> > On Nov 1, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > My understanding is that GL5 oils can harm "yellow" metals like brass
> > > in a gearbox so it is better to not use them if you can avoid it.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > GL4 oils like Red Line's MT-90, which is a 75w-90 "Manual Transmission
> > > and Transaxle Lubricant" per the label might be a good choice, too, but
> > > then you wonder if the steel parts are getting enough protection.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > What you DO NOT want to use is generic GL5 gear oil that says "approved
> > > for use in limited slip axles" because that has the limited slip
> > > additive that Les talks about.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Jim Oddie
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> > > To: R.J <willibillie at live.de>
> > > Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> > > Sent: Sat, Nov 1, 2014 12:56 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF Gear Oil Recommendations
> > > Roland,
> > > 
> > > That's interesting to hear. The De Tomaso owners manual and ford shop manual
> > > both call for GL5. I wonder why there is a difference?
> > > 
> > > Mike
> > > 
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > 
> > > On Nov 1, 2014, at 11:22, R.J <[1]willibillie at live.de> wrote:
> > > 
> > >> Very strange. ZF here in Germany says it is not allowed to use GL5
> > >> spec's in the transaxle. The GL5 is an additiv for the limited slip
> > >> differenzial and should NOT be used in any manual gearbox, because the
> > >> additive lubes the syncros.
> > >> Just my little knowledge.
> > >> Roland Jaeckel
> > >> 
> > >> Am 01.11.2014 um 17:44 schrieb Mike Drew via DeTomaso:
> > >> 
> > >> In a message dated 11/1/14 9 10 5, [1][2]flisi at si.rr.com writes:
> > >> 
> > >> Need to change the ZF's oil. Any recommendations?
> > >> 
> > >>>>> I use CRC oil, made by Sta-Lube. It's arguably no better or worse
> > >> than any other oil you can get, BUT you are assured that it is the
> > >> proper GL5 spec. As a wonderful bonus, it's available in one-gallon
> > >> jugs, and you can buy an optional pump which threads onto the bottle.
> > >> Each pump meters out exactly one ounce, which is a beautiful thing.
> > >> Rather than struggling with long quart bottles, you simply set the jug
> > >> atop the gearbox, insert the end of the hose into the side, and pump
> > >> merrily away. You'll need 7 1/2 US pints, which is damn near a gallon.
> > >> See attached photo....I got mine at the local NAPA auto parts store,
> > >> along with the pump. Usually my store has it in stock; last time they
> > >> only had pint bottles so I had to order it, and it arrived the next
> > >> day.
> > >> Mike
> > >> 
> > >> 
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> > >> 
> > >> References
> > >> 
> > >> 1. [5]mailto:flisi at si.rr.com
> > >> 2. [6]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > >> 3. [7]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> > > 
> > > References
> > > 
> > > 1. mailto:willibillie at live.de
> > > 2. mailto:flisi at si.rr.com
> > > 3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > > 4. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > > 5. mailto:flisi at si.rr.com?
> > > 6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
> > > 7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > > 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > > 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> > > 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> > > 11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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   Thank You

   On Nov 2, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:

   It's a 17mm Allen wrench, the crux is getting something short enough
   for access to the similarly sized fill plug on the side.
   I managed to find a 17mm Allen wrench locally, then went at it with a
   hacksaw cutting off a section long enough to sit in and extend out of a
   17mm socket. Chuck has a nice stubby one shown on his site that
   achieves the same and saves some work.
   [2]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Parts4Sale/ZFDrainPlugTool.asp
   Julian
   > From: [3]demongusta at me.com
   > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 07:54:57 -0800
   > To: [4]pantdino at aol.com
   > CC: [5]detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF Gear Oil Recommendations
   >
   > While on the subject, what wrench is used to remove the ZF plug? On
   the last discussion, I remember someone saying to allow an over-night
   drainage to get every last drop. Mine hasn't been changed in years and
   I am feeling guilty. Thought I would drive the car, get good and warm,
   then let it drain for a day or two - whatever it takes. But the wrench?
   > Thanks to all for this List.
   >
   >
   > On Nov 1, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso
   <[6]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
   >
   > > My understanding is that GL5 oils can harm "yellow" metals like
   brass
   > > in a gearbox so it is better to not use them if you can avoid it.
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > GL4 oils like Red Line's MT-90, which is a 75w-90 "Manual
   Transmission
   > > and Transaxle Lubricant" per the label might be a good choice, too,
   but
   > > then you wonder if the steel parts are getting enough protection.
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > What you DO NOT want to use is generic GL5 gear oil that says
   "approved
   > > for use in limited slip axles" because that has the limited slip
   > > additive that Les talks about.
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > Jim Oddie
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > -----Original Message-----
   > > From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[7]detomaso at poca.com>
   > > To: R.J <[8]willibillie at live.de>
   > > Cc: detomaso <[9]detomaso at poca.com>
   > > Sent: Sat, Nov 1, 2014 12:56 pm
   > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF Gear Oil Recommendations
   > > Roland,
   > >
   > > That's interesting to hear. The De Tomaso owners manual and ford
   shop manual
   > > both call for GL5. I wonder why there is a difference?
   > >
   > > Mike
   > >
   > > Sent from my iPhone
   > >
   > > On Nov 1, 2014, at 11:22, R.J <[1][10]willibillie at live.de> wrote:
   > >
   > >> Very strange. ZF here in Germany says it is not allowed to use GL5
   > >> spec's in the transaxle. The GL5 is an additiv for the limited
   slip
   > >> differenzial and should NOT be used in any manual gearbox, because
   the
   > >> additive lubes the syncros.
   > >> Just my little knowledge.
   > >> Roland Jaeckel
   > >>
   > >> Am 01.11.2014 um 17:44 schrieb Mike Drew via DeTomaso:
   > >>
   > >> In a message dated 11/1/14 9 10 5, [1][2][11]flisi at si.rr.com
   writes:
   > >>
   > >> Need to change the ZF's oil. Any recommendations?
   > >>
   > >>>>> I use CRC oil, made by Sta-Lube. It's arguably no better or
   worse
   > >> than any other oil you can get, BUT you are assured that it is the
   > >> proper GL5 spec. As a wonderful bonus, it's available in
   one-gallon
   > >> jugs, and you can buy an optional pump which threads onto the
   bottle.
   > >> Each pump meters out exactly one ounce, which is a beautiful
   thing.
   > >> Rather than struggling with long quart bottles, you simply set the
   jug
   > >> atop the gearbox, insert the end of the hose into the side, and
   pump
   > >> merrily away. You'll need 7 1/2 US pints, which is damn near a
   gallon.
   > >> See attached photo....I got mine at the local NAPA auto parts
   store,
   > >> along with the pump. Usually my store has it in stock; last time
   they
   > >> only had pint bottles so I had to order it, and it arrived the
   next
   > >> day.
   > >> Mike
   > >>
   > >>
   > >> _______________________________________________
   > >>
   > >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
   > >>
   > >> DeTomaso mailing list
   > >> [2][3][12]DeTomaso at poca.com
   > >> [3][4][13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > >>
   > >> References
   > >>
   > >> 1. [5][14]mailto:flisi at si.rr.com
   > >> 2. [6][15]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > >> 3. [7][16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > >> _______________________________________________
   > >>
   > >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
   > >>
   > >> DeTomaso mailing list
   > >> [8][17]DeTomaso at poca.com
   > >> [9][18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > >
   > > _______________________________________________
   > >
   > > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
   > >
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   > >
   > > References
   > >
   > > 1. [21]mailto:willibillie at live.de
   > > 2. [22]mailto:flisi at si.rr.com
   > > 3. [23]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > > 4. [24]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > > 5. [25]mailto:flisi at si.rr.com?
   > > 6. [26]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
   > > 7. [27]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > > 8. [28]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > > 9. [29]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > > 10. [30]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   > > 11. [31]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   > > _______________________________________________
   > >
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   >
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References

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   2. http://www.provamo.com/Members/Parts4Sale/ZFDrainPlugTool.asp
   3. mailto:demongusta at me.com
   4. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
   5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   7. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   8. mailto:willibillie at live.de
   9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  10. mailto:willibillie at live.de
  11. mailto:flisi at si.rr.com
  12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  14. mailto:flisi at si.rr.com
  15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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  21. mailto:willibillie at live.de
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  23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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