[DeTomaso] NPC Sort of. Dustless Blasting
Boyd Casey
boyd411 at gmail.com
Wed May 28 15:13:15 EDT 2014
Rob, The issue is that due to the high pressure that the glass bead media
exits the blaster combined with it's ver small diameter it is apparently
was for it to penetrate ever and any available opening. I'm sure people
have tried to take all the prudent measures that would come to mind , but
the loin that my fiend made to me is that all you need is for the smallest
amount to gain entry to the engine or transmission and you can kiss it good
bye.I was talking to him about doing my Pantera and he said there was no
way he would let me do it with the drive train installed. We have been
friends since we were 15 years old. It isn't a question of liability. Even
if I signed one of his releases which absolve him of any responsibility ,
he said the rid is just to great. The glass beading is very hard. A few
particles being pumped through your engine will wipe out your bearings,
rings , valves, gears etc. Any place where there is a tight tolerance and a
particle harder the the surrounding metal is going to tear it up. When I
was talking to Bill gain about painting my car (this was before my friend
got his machine) Bill told me the same thing. Someone he knew had his
engine or ZF wiped out by some errant glass beads.
I know that YOU KNOW OUR FRIEND , MURPHY, Well this is just the opportunity
to put his law to work. * Everything that can go wrong will go wrong! The
whole idea behind doing this is to save time and money. You will do neither
if you wipe out your engine and trans axle in the process of stripping your
paint. Take the extra day and pull the engine and trans axle.*
*Boyd*
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
> Boyd, thanks for the insight. What specifically was the issue with engine
> and drivetrane? Could that be mitigated by wrapping the engine areas in
> shrink wrap or draping the top with heavy rags?
>
> Rob DuMoulin
> 904.476.8744
> rob at dumoulins.net
> www.kbsi.co
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I hope no one misinterpreted my statements concerning the efficacy of
>> this "dustless" glass bead blasting process. It does a beautiful job. I
>> thin it is possible to strip most metal surfaces of paint or dirt , rust or
>> other unwanted materials without doing damage to the underlying material.
>> It leases the surface with an attractive "Glass beading" which is a
>> sufficient level of finish for some aluminum parts . If someone wants a
>> polished surface it will require additional surface prep as well as
>> additional surface prep for paint. My concern was that some people might
>> attempt to use this process to strip a car body when the engine and
>> transmission / transaxle are still installed. You will notice in the photo
>> of the Dino on the web page that Al provided the car is disassembled . My
>> friend is very happy with is purchase of the machine and from what he tells
>> me his customers have been very happy with the results. It is a very cost
>> effective way to strip the paint from a car. My friend charges an average
>> of $1200 to completely strip a car body ( of an "average size car" He won't
>> blast a car with the engine installed. He has used chemical paint removers
>> ( and sand paper) to strip his own restoration projects in the past. He
>> told me that using this "dustless" process , he can completely strip a car
>> to bare metal in one day vs several weeks using chemical strippers and sand
>> paper. He also believes that this process is much more environmentally
>> friendly and safer to the person doing the work then the use and exposure
>> to chemical strippers. When he does a car for a client he also coats the
>> stripped car with Zinc ( at no additional charge). A car that has been
>> blasted and zinc coated will remain rust free for an indefinite period if
>> stored indoors. So if anyone is considering using this process I would not
>> hesitate to recommend the process, I would still recommend exercising due
>> diligence concerning the operator and under no circumstances use this
>> process on a car with the drive train installed. I would also exercise
>> caution if using it around other mechanical components that wool
>> potentially be damaged by the introduction of highly abrasive material .
>> i.e. brakes. alternators, starters etc.
>>
>> Boyd
>>
>> P.S. If anyone is interested in having any projects or parts blasted and
>> the are near NYC (Long Island) let me know and I will introduce you to my
>> friend. There are only two "dustless" lasers on Long Island.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Al Gisby <algisby at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have used this company local to me for cleaning up some panels during
>>> my pantera conservation.
>>>
>>> http://www.wwtsrl.it/perfect-restoration-oldtimer-cars-strip-down-a-metal-vessel-anti-vegetation-treatment-remove-gelcoat.php
>>> They have seen some very significant cars being subject to their
>>> services.
>>> Ciao for now
>>> Al
>>> #1925
>>>
>>> Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 19:49:26 -0400
>>> From: boyd411 at gmail.com
>>> To: rob at dumoulins.net
>>> CC: DeTomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Sort of. Dustless Blasting
>>>
>>>
>>> My friend has one. He restores cars (as a hobby) and owns a towing
>>> business. He bought it to start a new business. It works great BUT (it's a
>>> big but" although it is technically "dustless" that does not equate to
>>>
>>>
>>> clean or not messy. The glass beads get everywhere. Unless you have a
>>> rotisserie upon which you can rotate a car body (so you can hose out al the
>>> glass bead residue) you have a real mess on your hands. You also can't (or
>>>
>>>
>>> shouldn't )use it on a car with any mechanical components installed. A few
>>> glass beads can destroy an engine , transmission, or any mechanical device
>>> with close tolerances . It does do a great job of removing paint down to
>>>
>>>
>>> bare metal without damaging the surface. It's also great for cleaning or
>>> stripping parts.
>>> Boyd
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Has anybody seen one of these units in person? A It is called dustless
>>> > blasting. Water pressure and glass beads to strip off paint from cars
>>> > (and anything else). A Looks so cool.
>>> > Any personal experience?
>>>
>>>
>>> > [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCehkkTTeMk
>>> > RobA
>>> >
>>> > References
>>> >
>>> > 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCehkkTTeMk
>>>
>>>
>>> >
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Rob, The issue is that due to the high pressure that the glass bead
media exits the blaster combined with it's ver small diameter it is
apparently was for it to penetrate ever and any available opening. I'm
sure people have tried to take all the prudent measures that would come
to mind , but the loin that my fiend made to me is that all you need is
for the smallest amount to gain entry to the engine or transmission and
you can kiss it good bye.I was talking to him about doing my Pantera
and he said there was no way he would let me do it with the drive train
installed. We have been friends since we were 15 years old. It isn't a
question of liability. Even if I signed one of his releases which
absolve him of any responsibility , he said the rid is just to great.
The glass beading is very hard. A few particles being pumped through
your engine will wipe out your bearings, rings , valves, gears etc. Any
place where there is a tight tolerance and a particle harder the the
surrounding metal is going to tear it up. When I was talking to Bill
gain about painting my car (this was before my friend got his machine)
Bill told me the same thing. Someone he knew had his engine or ZF wiped
out A A by some errant glass beads.
I know that YOU KNOW OUR FRIEND , MURPHY, Well this is just the
opportunity to put his law to work. A Everything that can go wrong will
go wrong! A The whole idea behind doing this is to save time and money.
You will do neither if you wipe out yourA engine and trans axle in the
process of stripping your paint. Take the extra day and pull the engine
and trans axle.
Boyd
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Rob Dumoulin <[1]rob at dumoulins.net>
wrote:
Boyd, thanks for the insight. A What specifically was the issue with
engine and drivetrane? A Could that be mitigated by wrapping the engine
areas in shrink wrap or draping the top with heavy rags?
Rob DuMoulin
[2]904.476.8744
[3]rob at dumoulins.net
[4]www.kbsi.co
[5]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Boyd Casey <[6]boyd411 at gmail.com>
wrote:
I hope no one misinterpreted A my statements concerning the efficacy of
this "dustless" glass bead blasting process. A It does a beautiful job.
I thin it is possible to strip most metal surfaces of paint or dirt ,
rust or other unwanted materials without doing damage to the underlying
material. It leases the surface with an attractive "Glass beading"
which is a sufficient level of finish for some aluminum parts . If
someone wants a polished surface it will require additional surface
prep as well as additional surface prep for paint. My concern was that
some people might attempt to use this process to strip a car body when
the engine and transmission / transaxle are still installed. You will
notice in the photo of the Dino on the web page that Al provided the
car is disassembled . My friend is very happy with is purchase of the
machine and from what he tells me his customers have been very happy
with the results. It is a very cost effective way to strip the paint
from a car. My friend charges an average of $1200 to completely strip a
car body ( of an "average size car" He won't blast a car with the
engine installed. A He has used chemical paint removers ( and sand
paper) A to strip his own restoration projects in the past. He told me
that using this "dustless" process , he can completely strip a car to
bare metal in one day vs several weeks using chemical strippers and
sand paper. He also believes that this process is much more
environmentally friendly and safer to the person doing the work then
the use and exposure to chemical strippers. When he does a car for a
client he also coats the stripped car with Zinc ( at no additional
charge). A car that has been blasted and zinc coated will remain rust
free for an indefinite period if stored indoors. So if anyone is
considering using this process I would not hesitate to recommend the
process, I would still recommend exercising due diligence concerning
the operator and under no circumstances use this process on a car with
the drive train installed. I would also exercise caution if using it
around other mechanical components that wool potentially be damaged by
the introduction of highly abrasive material . i.e. brakes.
alternators, starters etc.
Boyd
P.S. If anyone is interested in having any projects or parts blasted
and the are near NYC (Long Island) let me know and I will introduce you
to my friend. There are only two "dustless" lasers on Long Island.
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Al Gisby <[7]algisby at hotmail.com>
wrote:
I have used this company local to me for cleaning up some panels during
my pantera conservation.
[8]http://www.wwtsrl.it/perfect-restoration-oldtimer-cars-strip-down-a-
metal-vessel-anti-vegetation-treatment-remove-gelcoat.php
They have seen some very significant cars being subject to their
services.
Ciao for now
Al
#1925
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 19:49:26 -0400
From: [9]boyd411 at gmail.com
To: [10]rob at dumoulins.net
CC: [11]DeTomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Sort of. Dustless Blasting
My friend has one. He restores cars (as a hobby) and owns a towing
business. He bought it to start a new business. It works great BUT (it's a
big but" although it is technically "dustless" that does not equate to
clean or not messy. The glass beads get everywhere. Unless you have a
rotisserie upon which you can rotate a car body (so you can hose out al the
glass bead residue) you have a real mess on your hands. You also can't (or
shouldn't )use it on a car with any mechanical components installed. A few
glass beads can destroy an engine , transmission, or any mechanical device
with close tolerances . It does do a great job of removing paint down to
bare metal without damaging the surface. It's also great for cleaning or
stripping parts.
Boyd
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Rob Dumoulin <[12]rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
> Has anybody seen one of these units in person? A It is called dustless
> blasting. Water pressure and glass beads to strip off paint from cars
> (and anything else). A Looks so cool.
> Any personal experience?
> [1][13]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCehkkTTeMk
> RobA
>
> References
>
> 1. [14]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCehkkTTeMk
>
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References
1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
2. tel:904.476.8744
3. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
4. http://www.kbsi.co/
5. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
6. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
7. mailto:algisby at hotmail.com
8. http://www.wwtsrl.it/perfect-restoration-oldtimer-cars-strip-down-a-metal-vessel-anti-vegetation-treatment-remove-gelcoat.php
9. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
10. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
12. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net
13. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCehkkTTeMk
14. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCehkkTTeMk
15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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