[DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine... and Rockets
Pantdino
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Fri May 16 22:59:40 EDT 2014
Part of the difference between the Krauts and Japs (excuse the non-PC terms) is that the Krauts kept records. They had lists of how many Jews were deported on what dates, when they were liquidated, etc.
I read about trials of Jap Generals whose troops butchered people, but it was hard to prove they ordered or permitted such behavior and thus were held blameless.
Please note that I lived in Germany for a while as a student and have no grudges against the current generation of Japanese or Germans, but I have little sympathy for whatever hardships the people of that generation suffered in those countries.
-----Original Message-----
From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
To: Jerry Knotts <knottsj at galstar.com>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Fri, May 16, 2014 4:21 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine... and Rockets
I certainly don't want to be construed as having anything nice to say
about the Nazi's , but they were practically boy scouts compared to the
Japanese. Ken the things you made reference to in your reference to
Unit 731 was who I was referring to when I said they committed acts to
heinous to think about. Besides their atrocities connected to germ
warfare their rape of Nanking was a rape murder fest of unbelievable
proportions. A local Tokyo newspaper reported on a competition between
two Japanese Non-commissioned officers. They were competing to see who
could behead by sword the greatest number of Chinese civilians. The
newspaper reported on this like it was a baseball came keeping score
with people groups cheering for the Non-comm from their area.
Mitsubishi used US POW's as slave labor in their factories. Us POW's in
Germany had a 90% survival rate, US POW's in Japan had a 90% mortality
rate! It still kills me when I see reports and interviews (now 20+
years old) of Japanese veterans and former politicians calling America
"uncivilized " for using the Atomic bombs A on Japan. My Grandfather
was on Bataan and was one of the lucky few who got to evacuate with
MacArthur on the P.T. boats and was also part of the Army of occupation
in Japan after WWII, so I heard stories growing up about the Bataan
death march ( and other atrocities) that didn't leave me feeling any
sympathy for the Japanese. It's interesting to me that a people who
seem so civilized and polite could be so cruel and vicious A in war.
Boyd
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Jerry Knotts <[1]knottsj at galstar.com>
wrote:
I remember when Sputnik was launched to the suprise and embarasement
of the US. A One of the news casters stated that he would like to
congratulate the Soviet engineers that put Sputnik in orbit, but he
didn't speak German.
jerry knotts
On 5/16/2014 3:40 PM, Boyd Casey wrote:
A A My grandfather Maj Gen. Hugh J. Casey A was the Chief engineer
of the
A A entire Pacific Theater in World War II A and my Great Uncle
Gen (4
A A Star) Lucius Clay was he military governor of the US zone of
occupation
A A at the end of WWII. So I heard a lot about what happened behind
the
A A scenes before , during and after WWII. Werner Von Braun was both
A A accused of being a Nazi A and being guilty of war crimes due
to his use
A A of slave labor and his design of weapons used on civilians. It is
also
A A true that the SS arrested WVB at one point and if it weren't for
the
A A direct intervention of Hitler (possibly at the request of Albert
Speer)
A A WVB may have boot surveyed until the end of the war. There was a
A A continual power struggle between Himmler, Goering A and the
upper
A A echelon of the Nazis and the S.S.. The bottom line is that The US
A A recognized the importance of Rocket science and recognized WVB as
the
A A preeminent expert in Germany. The German Rocket program was
located in
A A a part of Europe that was already scheduled to be under the
control of
A A the Soviets. The Americans made a mad dash into this area to
capture as
A A much hardware and material as well as a many personnel as
possible. WVB
A A and his entire staff were at the same time doing everything in
their
A A power to surrender to the US instead of falling into Russian
hands. The
A A official name of the program to bring German scientists into the
United
A A states specifically to work on war related technology was called
A A "Operation paper clip. It was technically Illegal to hire anyone
who
A A was officially a Nazi. So efforts were made and personal
histories were
A A falsified in order to circumvent theses rules. A subject that I
find
A A more interesting is the case of the Japanese germ warfare expert
who
A A was responsible for the deaths of thousands of Chinese and
possibly
A A some US POW's using germ warfare and doing germ warfare
experiments.
A A The United States felt that they were far behind the Japanese and
A A pardoned the Japanese scientist who was responsible for the
program
A A that dropped rats carrying fleas infected with bubonic plague on
to
A A Chinese cities .He also carried out other absolutely horrible
human
A A experimentation test various agents to kill civilians in
"Scientific
A A studies". After the war was over and this Japanese individual was
A A pardoned it was found that the Japanese germ warfare program had
been
A A conducted in such an amateur manner that is was of virtually no
A A scientific value. So This Japanese scientist who was personally
A A responsible for thousands of deaths ( some of which were
absolutely
A A horrible in there cruelty and the level of suffering that it's
subjects
A A were forced to endure) got off scot free and we didn't even reap
any
A A benefits from all of his "research". At least WVB got us to the
moon!
A A Hugh Boyd Casey
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Part of the difference between the Krauts and Japs (excuse the non-PC
terms) is that the Krauts kept records. They had lists of how many Jews
were deported on what dates, when they were liquidated, etc.
I read about trials of Jap Generals whose troops butchered people, but
it was hard to prove they ordered or permitted such behavior and thus
were held blameless.
Please note that I lived in Germany for a while as a student and have
no grudges against the current generation of Japanese or Germans, but I
have little sympathy for whatever hardships the people of that
generation suffered in those countries.
-----Original Message-----
From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
To: Jerry Knotts <knottsj at galstar.com>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Fri, May 16, 2014 4:21 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine... and Rockets
I certainly don't want to be construed as having anything nice to say
about the Nazi's , but they were practically boy scouts compared to the
Japanese. Ken the things you made reference to in your reference to
Unit 731 was who I was referring to when I said they committed acts to
heinous to think about. Besides their atrocities connected to germ
warfare their rape of Nanking was a rape murder fest of unbelievable
proportions. A local Tokyo newspaper reported on a competition between
two Japanese Non-commissioned officers. They were competing to see who
could behead by sword the greatest number of Chinese civilians. The
newspaper reported on this like it was a baseball came keeping score
with people groups cheering for the Non-comm from their area.
Mitsubishi used US POW's as slave labor in their factories. Us POW's in
Germany had a 90% survival rate, US POW's in Japan had a 90% mortality
rate! It still kills me when I see reports and interviews (now 20+
years old) of Japanese veterans and former politicians calling America
"uncivilized " for using the Atomic bombs A on Japan. My Grandfather
was on Bataan and was one of the lucky few who got to evacuate with
MacArthur on the P.T. boats and was also part of the Army of occupation
in Japan after WWII, so I heard stories growing up about the Bataan
death march ( and other atrocities) that didn't leave me feeling any
sympathy for the Japanese. It's interesting to me that a people who
seem so civilized and polite could be so cruel and vicious A in war.
Boyd
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Jerry Knotts <[1][1]knottsj at galstar.com>
wrote:
I remember when Sputnik was launched to the suprise and embarasement
of the US. A One of the news casters stated that he would like to
congratulate the Soviet engineers that put Sputnik in orbit, but he
didn't speak German.
jerry knotts
On 5/16/2014 3:40 PM, Boyd Casey wrote:
A A My grandfather Maj Gen. Hugh J. Casey A was the Chief engineer
of the
A A entire Pacific Theater in World War II A and my Great Uncle
Gen (4
A A Star) Lucius Clay was he military governor of the US zone of
occupation
A A at the end of WWII. So I heard a lot about what happened behind
the
A A scenes before , during and after WWII. Werner Von Braun was both
A A accused of being a Nazi A and being guilty of war crimes due
to his use
A A of slave labor and his design of weapons used on civilians. It is
also
A A true that the SS arrested WVB at one point and if it weren't for
the
A A direct intervention of Hitler (possibly at the request of Albert
Speer)
A A WVB may have boot surveyed until the end of the war. There was a
A A continual power struggle between Himmler, Goering A and the
upper
A A echelon of the Nazis and the S.S.. The bottom line is that The US
A A recognized the importance of Rocket science and recognized WVB as
the
A A preeminent expert in Germany. The German Rocket program was
located in
A A a part of Europe that was already scheduled to be under the
control of
A A the Soviets. The Americans made a mad dash into this area to
capture as
A A much hardware and material as well as a many personnel as
possible. WVB
A A and his entire staff were at the same time doing everything in
their
A A power to surrender to the US instead of falling into Russian
hands. The
A A official name of the program to bring German scientists into the
United
A A states specifically to work on war related technology was called
A A "Operation paper clip. It was technically Illegal to hire anyone
who
A A was officially a Nazi. So efforts were made and personal
histories were
A A falsified in order to circumvent theses rules. A subject that I
find
A A more interesting is the case of the Japanese germ warfare expert
who
A A was responsible for the deaths of thousands of Chinese and
possibly
A A some US POW's using germ warfare and doing germ warfare
experiments.
A A The United States felt that they were far behind the Japanese and
A A pardoned the Japanese scientist who was responsible for the
program
A A that dropped rats carrying fleas infected with bubonic plague on
to
A A Chinese cities .He also carried out other absolutely horrible
human
A A experimentation test various agents to kill civilians in
"Scientific
A A studies". After the war was over and this Japanese individual was
A A pardoned it was found that the Japanese germ warfare program had
been
A A conducted in such an amateur manner that is was of virtually no
A A scientific value. So This Japanese scientist who was personally
A A responsible for thousands of deaths ( some of which were
absolutely
A A horrible in there cruelty and the level of suffering that it's
subjects
A A were forced to endure) got off scot free and we didn't even reap
any
A A benefits from all of his "research". At least WVB got us to the
moon!
A A Hugh Boyd Casey
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