[DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine... and Rockets

Boyd Casey boyd411 at gmail.com
Fri May 16 19:25:33 EDT 2014


I wanted to clarify that when I said "Their rape of nanking" I was
referring to the Japanese army, not Unit 731 specifically .
Boyd


On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I certainly don't want to be construed as having anything nice to say
> about the Nazi's , but they were practically boy scouts compared to the
> Japanese. Ken the things you made reference to in your reference to Unit
> 731 was who I was referring to when I said they committed acts to heinous
> to think about. Besides their atrocities connected to germ warfare their
> rape of Nanking was a rape murder fest of unbelievable proportions. A
> local Tokyo newspaper reported on a competition between two Japanese
> Non-commissioned officers. They were competing to see who could behead by
> sword the greatest number of Chinese civilians. The newspaper reported on
> this like it was a baseball came keeping score with people groups cheering
> for the Non-comm from their area. Mitsubishi used US POW's as slave labor
> in their factories. Us POW's in Germany had a 90% survival rate, US POW'sin Japan had a 90% mortality rate! It still kills me when I see reports and
> interviews (now 20+ years old) of Japanese veterans and former politicians
> calling America "uncivilized " for using the Atomic bombs  on Japan. My
> Grandfather was on Bataan and was one of the lucky few who got to evacuate
> with MacArthur on the P.T. boats and was also part of the Army of
> occupation in Japan after WWII, so I heard stories growing up about the
> Bataan death march ( and other atrocities) that didn't leave me feeling any
> sympathy for the Japanese. It's interesting to me that a people who seem so
> civilized and polite could be so cruel and vicious  in war.
> Boyd
>
>
> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Jerry Knotts <knottsj at galstar.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I remember when Sputnik was launched to the suprise and embarasement of
>> the US.  One of the news casters stated that he would like to congratulate
>> the Soviet engineers that put Sputnik in orbit, but he didn't speak German.
>>
>> jerry knotts
>>
>> On 5/16/2014 3:40 PM, Boyd Casey wrote:
>>
>>>     My grandfather Maj Gen. Hugh J. Casey A was the Chief engineer of the
>>>     entire Pacific Theater in World War II A and my Great Uncle Gen (4
>>>
>>>     Star) Lucius Clay was he military governor of the US zone of
>>> occupation
>>>     at the end of WWII. So I heard a lot about what happened behind the
>>>     scenes before , during and after WWII. Werner Von Braun was both
>>>     accused of being a Nazi A and being guilty of war crimes due to his
>>> use
>>>
>>>     of slave labor and his design of weapons used on civilians. It is
>>> also
>>>     true that the SS arrested WVB at one point and if it weren't for the
>>>     direct intervention of Hitler (possibly at the request of Albert
>>> Speer)
>>>     WVB may have boot surveyed until the end of the war. There was a
>>>     continual power struggle between Himmler, Goering A and the upper
>>>
>>>     echelon of the Nazis and the S.S.. The bottom line is that The US
>>>     recognized the importance of Rocket science and recognized WVB as the
>>>     preeminent expert in Germany. The German Rocket program was located
>>> in
>>>     a part of Europe that was already scheduled to be under the control
>>> of
>>>     the Soviets. The Americans made a mad dash into this area to capture
>>> as
>>>     much hardware and material as well as a many personnel as possible.
>>> WVB
>>>     and his entire staff were at the same time doing everything in their
>>>     power to surrender to the US instead of falling into Russian hands.
>>> The
>>>     official name of the program to bring German scientists into the
>>> United
>>>     states specifically to work on war related technology was called
>>>     "Operation paper clip. It was technically Illegal to hire anyone who
>>>     was officially a Nazi. So efforts were made and personal histories
>>> were
>>>     falsified in order to circumvent theses rules. A subject that I find
>>>     more interesting is the case of the Japanese germ warfare expert who
>>>     was responsible for the deaths of thousands of Chinese and possibly
>>>     some US POW's using germ warfare and doing germ warfare experiments.
>>>     The United States felt that they were far behind the Japanese and
>>>     pardoned the Japanese scientist who was responsible for the program
>>>     that dropped rats carrying fleas infected with bubonic plague on to
>>>     Chinese cities .He also carried out other absolutely horrible human
>>>     experimentation test various agents to kill civilians in "Scientific
>>>     studies". After the war was over and this Japanese individual was
>>>     pardoned it was found that the Japanese germ warfare program had been
>>>     conducted in such an amateur manner that is was of virtually no
>>>     scientific value. So This Japanese scientist who was personally
>>>     responsible for thousands of deaths ( some of which were absolutely
>>>     horrible in there cruelty and the level of suffering that it's
>>> subjects
>>>     were forced to endure) got off scot free and we didn't even reap any
>>>     benefits from all of his "research". At least WVB got us to the moon!
>>>     Hugh Boyd Casey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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   I wanted to clarify that when I said "Their rape of nanking" I was
   referring to the Japanese army, not Unit 731 specifically .
   Boyd

   On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
   wrote:

   I certainly don't want to be construed as having anything nice to say
   about the Nazi's , but they were practically boy scouts compared to the
   Japanese. Ken the things you made reference to in your reference to
   Unit 731 was who I was referring to when I said they committed acts to
   heinous to think about. Besides their atrocities connected to germ
   warfare their rape of Nanking was a rape murder fest of unbelievable
   proportions. A local Tokyo newspaper reported on a competition between
   two Japanese Non-commissioned officers. They were competing to see who
   could behead by sword the greatest number of Chinese civilians. The
   newspaper reported on this like it was a baseball came keeping score
   with people groups cheering for the Non-comm from their area.
   Mitsubishi used US POW's as slave labor in their factories. Us POW's in
   Germany had a 90% survival rate, US POW's in Japan had a 90% mortality
   rate! It still kills me when I see reports and interviews (now 20+
   years old) of Japanese veterans and former politicians calling America
   "uncivilized " for using the Atomic bombs A on Japan. My Grandfather
   was on Bataan and was one of the lucky few who got to evacuate with
   MacArthur on the P.T. boats and was also part of the Army of occupation
   in Japan after WWII, so I heard stories growing up about the Bataan
   death march ( and other atrocities) that didn't leave me feeling any
   sympathy for the Japanese. It's interesting to me that a people who
   seem so civilized and polite could be so cruel and vicious A in war.
   Boyd

   On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Jerry Knotts <[2]knottsj at galstar.com>
   wrote:

     I remember when Sputnik was launched to the suprise and embarasement
     of the US. A One of the news casters stated that he would like to
     congratulate the Soviet engineers that put Sputnik in orbit, but he
     didn't speak German.
     jerry knotts
     On 5/16/2014 3:40 PM, Boyd Casey wrote:

     A  A  My grandfather Maj Gen. Hugh J. Casey A was the Chief engineer
     of the
     A  A  entire Pacific Theater in World War II A and my Great Uncle
     Gen (4

   A  A  Star) Lucius Clay was he military governor of the US zone of
   occupation
   A  A  at the end of WWII. So I heard a lot about what happened behind
   the
   A  A  scenes before , during and after WWII. Werner Von Braun was both

     A  A  accused of being a Nazi A and being guilty of war crimes due
     to his use

   A  A  of slave labor and his design of weapons used on civilians. It is
   also
   A  A  true that the SS arrested WVB at one point and if it weren't for
   the
   A  A  direct intervention of Hitler (possibly at the request of Albert
   Speer)
   A  A  WVB may have boot surveyed until the end of the war. There was a

     A  A  continual power struggle between Himmler, Goering A and the
     upper

   A  A  echelon of the Nazis and the S.S.. The bottom line is that The US
   A  A  recognized the importance of Rocket science and recognized WVB as
   the
   A  A  preeminent expert in Germany. The German Rocket program was
   located in
   A  A  a part of Europe that was already scheduled to be under the
   control of
   A  A  the Soviets. The Americans made a mad dash into this area to
   capture as
   A  A  much hardware and material as well as a many personnel as
   possible. WVB
   A  A  and his entire staff were at the same time doing everything in
   their
   A  A  power to surrender to the US instead of falling into Russian
   hands. The
   A  A  official name of the program to bring German scientists into the
   United
   A  A  states specifically to work on war related technology was called
   A  A  "Operation paper clip. It was technically Illegal to hire anyone
   who
   A  A  was officially a Nazi. So efforts were made and personal
   histories were
   A  A  falsified in order to circumvent theses rules. A subject that I
   find
   A  A  more interesting is the case of the Japanese germ warfare expert
   who
   A  A  was responsible for the deaths of thousands of Chinese and
   possibly
   A  A  some US POW's using germ warfare and doing germ warfare
   experiments.
   A  A  The United States felt that they were far behind the Japanese and
   A  A  pardoned the Japanese scientist who was responsible for the
   program
   A  A  that dropped rats carrying fleas infected with bubonic plague on
   to
   A  A  Chinese cities .He also carried out other absolutely horrible
   human
   A  A  experimentation test various agents to kill civilians in
   "Scientific
   A  A  studies". After the war was over and this Japanese individual was
   A  A  pardoned it was found that the Japanese germ warfare program had
   been
   A  A  conducted in such an amateur manner that is was of virtually no
   A  A  scientific value. So This Japanese scientist who was personally
   A  A  responsible for thousands of deaths ( some of which were
   absolutely
   A  A  horrible in there cruelty and the level of suffering that it's
   subjects
   A  A  were forced to endure) got off scot free and we didn't even reap
   any
   A  A  benefits from all of his "research". At least WVB got us to the
   moon!
   A  A  Hugh Boyd Casey

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