[DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine... and Rockets
Jim Gray
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Fri May 16 11:29:52 EDT 2014
Thanks for the history. Much I had not heard before.
Jim Gray
From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine... and Rockets
Not entirely true. WvB resisted the Nazi's and was even thrown in
prison towards the end of the war. It was
Heinrich Himmler and Kammler who ordered the use of forced labor. WvB
was under surveillance since 1943
by the Nazi's. WvB and his top engineers, Riedel & Grottrup were
expressing deep regret that they were building
instruments of war and not spaceships. A young female dentist who was
an SS spy reported their private conversations
and WvB was put in a Gestapo cell in Stettin. Dornberger was able to
obtain his conditional release from Hitler himself.
Orders to terminate WvB and his engineers was given if the war efforts
started failing.
This was all reported by French historian and a survivor of the
Mittelbau-Dora concentration camp.
After his defection to the US WvB worked with Pickering (JPL Dir) and
Jack Parsons to combine the power of the V2 and
our command & guidance systems. By early 1957 they were ready to
launch a satellite into space. But Eisenhower told them
to "Stand-Down" and gave the contract to the Navy (Vanguard) systems.
Brilliant!! Total failure! Meanwhile, the
Russians beat us into space with Sputnik. Eisenhower knew he screwed
up, and told Pickering to go ahead. We (JPL/Caltech)
launched Explorer 1 in Jan 1958. Nasa was formed in 1958.
WvB was made head of NASA in 1960. WvB was a hero and got us to the
moon, along with lots and lots of other American
engineers.
So you have to ask yourself. What would you do if someone put a gun to
your head?
"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
to contact us!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead
Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
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Date: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:06 PM
To: Terry Himes <[3]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>,
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine... and Rockets
"Defection" of vB? Because he used slave labor to build his V2
rockets, which in themselves were designed to kill civilians, he should
have been tried as a war criminal. But because we needed his expertise
he became a great American hero.
Just like Klaus Barbie, who tortured French Resistance fighters to
death, got a pass from us because we needed his knowledge of where
commies were active.
Jim Oddie
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Sent: Thu, May 15, 2014 11:20 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine... and Rockets
If you attend the JPL Tour on June 2nd, right after the Run Rally, I
will be giving a short talk about the
history of JPL/Caltech/NASA. Which includes the defection of Werner
von Braun, 120 of the top German
engineers, 300 train-car loads of rocket parts and 62 V2's. While the
V2's were powerful, the Germans
did not have the guidance & control. That came from JPL. Very
interesting stuff.
"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
to contact us!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead
Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[1][11]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: Bill Lewis <[2][12]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:56 AM
To: "[3][13]detomaso at poca.com" <[4][14]detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine...
The little that I have learned from watching the military channel, it
seems that Germany was about a year away from winning the war - BIG
Time! When VictoryEurope occurred, they already had jet plane fighters
flying. They were strong onto inventing the Atomic Bomb - and many
other military machines. Their downfall (among others) was invading
Russia. Ironic how many of their top scientists were pure Jewish, or
mixed blood, certainly German by nationality. ---BILL Lewis
Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 15:32:46 -0400
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To: [6][16]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine...
NPC: Very Interesting info about Japanese I 400 submarines
*Japanese WWII Submarine...*
*If you haven't seen the attached info before, it is mind boggling!*
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Thanks for the history. Much I had not heard before.
Jim Gray
From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>; "lotus0005 at hotmail.com"
<lotus0005 at hotmail.com>; "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine... and Rockets
Not entirely true. WvB resisted the Nazi's and was even thrown in
prison towards the end of the war. It was
Heinrich Himmler and Kammler who ordered the use of forced labor.
WvB
was under surveillance since 1943
by the Nazi's. WvB and his top engineers, Riedel & Grottrup were
expressing deep regret that they were building
instruments of war and not spaceships. A young female dentist who
was
an SS spy reported their private conversations
and WvB was put in a Gestapo cell in Stettin. Dornberger was able to
obtain his conditional release from Hitler himself.
Orders to terminate WvB and his engineers was given if the war
efforts
started failing.
This was all reported by French historian and a survivor of the
Mittelbau-Dora concentration camp.
After his defection to the US WvB worked with Pickering (JPL Dir) and
Jack Parsons to combine the power of the V2 and
our command & guidance systems. By early 1957 they were ready to
launch a satellite into space. But Eisenhower told them
to "Stand-Down" and gave the contract to the Navy (Vanguard) systems.
Brilliant!! Total failure! Meanwhile, the
Russians beat us into space with Sputnik. Eisenhower knew he screwed
up, and told Pickering to go ahead. We (JPL/Caltech)
launched Explorer 1 in Jan 1958. Nasa was formed in 1958.
WvB was made head of NASA in 1960. WvB was a hero and got us to the
moon, along with lots and lots of other American
engineers.
So you have to ask yourself. What would you do if someone put a gun
to
your head?
"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
to contact us!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead
Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[1][1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: Pantdino <[2][2]pantdino at aol.com>
Date: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:06 PM
To: Terry Himes <[3][3]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>,
"[4][4]lotus0005 at hotmail.com" <[5][5]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>,
"[6][6]detomaso at poca.com" <[7][7]detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine... and Rockets
"Defection" of vB? Because he used slave labor to build his V2
rockets, which in themselves were designed to kill civilians, he
should
have been tried as a war criminal. But because we needed his
expertise
he became a great American hero.
Just like Klaus Barbie, who tortured French Resistance fighters to
death, got a pass from us because we needed his knowledge of where
commies were active.
Jim Oddie
-----Original Message-----
From: Himes, Terry (397C) (397C) <[8][8]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Bill Lewis <[9][9]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>; detomaso
<[10][10]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Thu, May 15, 2014 11:20 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine... and Rockets
If you attend the JPL Tour on June 2nd, right after the Run Rally, I
will be giving a short talk about the
history of JPL/Caltech/NASA. Which includes the defection of Werner
von Braun, 120 of the top German
engineers, 300 train-car loads of rocket parts and 62 V2's. While
the
V2's were powerful, the Germans
did not have the guidance & control. That came from JPL. Very
interesting stuff.
"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
to contact us!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead
Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[1][11][11]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: Bill Lewis <[2][12][12]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:56 AM
To: "[3][13][13]detomaso at poca.com" <[4][14][14]detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine...
The little that I have learned from watching the military channel, it
seems that Germany was about a year away from winning the war - BIG
Time! When VictoryEurope occurred, they already had jet plane
fighters
flying. They were strong onto inventing the Atomic Bomb - and many
other military machines. Their downfall (among others) was invading
Russia. Ironic how many of their top scientists were pure Jewish, or
mixed blood, certainly German by nationality. ---BILL Lewis
Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 15:32:46 -0400
From: [5][15][15]boyd411 at gmail.com
To: [6][16][16]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Japanese WWII Submarine...
NPC: Very Interesting info about Japanese I 400 submarines
*Japanese WWII Submarine...*
*If you haven't seen the attached info before, it is mind
boggling!*
[7][17][17]http://www.operationstormbook.com/i400_images.html
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