[DeTomaso] NPC interesting article
Himes, Terry (397C)
terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Sun Mar 30 13:26:15 EDT 2014
Excellent research, good dialog. Keep ranting.
Can you imagine in the next 5-10 years, your neighborhood mechanic working on a Google car?
Will they know about 3D mapping with a Velodyne 64-beam laser, radar, GPS, and wheel encoders?
You can park your car anywhere, and when you need it, tap on your phone and it will come pick you
up!
Mechanics will need a lot more education to work on future cars.
Terry
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead
Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
From: Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com<mailto:spkorb at gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "spkorb at gmail.com<mailto:spkorb at gmail.com>" <spkorb at gmail.com<mailto:spkorb at gmail.com>>
Date: Sunday, March 30, 2014 7:53 AM
To: "detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article
I think the article is a lot of wishful thinking. There are some fair
points to be sure but a few things stand out for me that are not mentioned
in the article.
Millennials don't have any money.
http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Household-Incomes-by-Age-Brackets.php
While it does look dire, if you compare that to the cost of a new car, you
can see that the barrier to entry is that much higher as a percentage of
income.
Disturbing as well is why would you invest so much money into a disposable
item? That is, why would I put up $22k (close to yearly income) for a base
model car that is an actual depreciating liability, but taxed as an asset?
There is also a declining amount of "fun" you can have informally with a
car. We do have formal and safe events and that is a good thing, but
speeders are routinely caught, doing doughnuts in your cul-de-sac or in the
mall parking lot is no longer a "boys will be boys" (or girls) affair.
You're going to jail.
Nobody works on cars. Well, we work on cars but the barrier to
understanding them is low and we grew up in a culture where you changed
your own oil and spark plugs and checked fluids before long trips (and had
to sometimes). Now cars are very reliable and the only time you have to
interact with your car at this intimate level is when something horrible
happens. Overheat your car? The head warps and your car is trashed.
Never change your oil? Big deal. The damn thing will last 150K easy and
you can unload it on some other poor sot. Even your tires are designed to
last 60,000+ miles. You don't get a relationship with a mechanic if you
never see one save to give your car last rites.
For heaven's sake, you're not even *allowed* to look under your hood
anymore. Open the hood? Well, there's another hood underneath your hood
with a few labels that while they don't say "no user serviceable parts
inside" they are also not inviting.
Wow. Rant much? I need to stop oversleeping.
sean
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net<mailto:cengles at cox.net>> wrote:
Dear Chris,
Thanks for sharing. That is an excellent analysis of Young People
and Cars. It is not the same as our youth. It is a problem for the car
makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Kimball
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:16 PM
To: detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article
I intuitively felt this was happening--this article describes it well.
Young people just don't care about cars as we did.
http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-owning-cars-a
nd-car-makers-cant-figure-out-why
Chris
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Excellent research, good dialog. Keep ranting.
Can you imagine in the next 5-10 years, your neighborhood mechanic
working on a Google car?
Will they know about 3D mapping with a Velodyne 64-beam laser, radar,
GPS, and wheel encoders?
You can park your car anywhere, and when you need it, tap on your phone
and it will come pick you
up!
Mechanics will need a lot more education to work on future cars.
Terry
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead
Rosetta/MEX/VEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: Sean Korb <[2]spkorb at gmail.com>
Reply-To: "[3]spkorb at gmail.com" <[4]spkorb at gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, March 30, 2014 7:53 AM
To: "[5]detomaso at poca.com" <[6]detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article
I think the article is a lot of wishful thinking. There are some fair
points to be sure but a few things stand out for me that are not
mentioned
in the article.
Millennials don't have any money.
[7]http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Household-Incomes-
by-Age-Brackets.php
While it does look dire, if you compare that to the cost of a new car,
you
can see that the barrier to entry is that much higher as a percentage
of
income.
Disturbing as well is why would you invest so much money into a
disposable
item? That is, why would I put up $22k (close to yearly income) for a
base
model car that is an actual depreciating liability, but taxed as an
asset?
There is also a declining amount of "fun" you can have informally with
a
car. We do have formal and safe events and that is a good thing, but
speeders are routinely caught, doing doughnuts in your cul-de-sac or in
the
mall parking lot is no longer a "boys will be boys" (or girls) affair.
You're going to jail.
Nobody works on cars. Well, we work on cars but the barrier to
understanding them is low and we grew up in a culture where you changed
your own oil and spark plugs and checked fluids before long trips (and
had
to sometimes). Now cars are very reliable and the only time you have
to
interact with your car at this intimate level is when something
horrible
happens. Overheat your car? The head warps and your car is trashed.
Never change your oil? Big deal. The damn thing will last 150K easy
and
you can unload it on some other poor sot. Even your tires are designed
to
last 60,000+ miles. You don't get a relationship with a mechanic if
you
never see one save to give your car last rites.
For heaven's sake, you're not even *allowed* to look under your hood
anymore. Open the hood? Well, there's another hood underneath your
hood
with a few labels that while they don't say "no user serviceable parts
inside" they are also not inviting.
Wow. Rant much? I need to stop oversleeping.
sean
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Charles Engles <[8]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
Dear Chris,
Thanks for sharing. That is an excellent analysis of Young
People
and Cars. It is not the same as our youth. It is a problem for the
car
makers, but it is a problem for car clubs from BMWCCA to POCA.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
Christopher
Kimball
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:16 PM
To: [10]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC interesting article
I intuitively felt this was happening--this article describes it well.
Young people just don't care about cars as we did.
[11]http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-owni
ng-cars-a
nd-car-makers-cant-figure-out-why
Chris
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#1382
"The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso
References
1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
2. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com
3. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com
4. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com
5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
7. http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Household-Incomes-by-Age-Brackets.php
8. mailto:cengles at cox.net
9. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
11. http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027876/millennials-dont-care-about-owning-cars-a
12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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