[DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value
Bill Lewis
lotus0005 at hotmail.com
Wed Mar 26 18:21:41 EDT 2014
My question: are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? What % of them are going to spend many hours in the garage working/admiring vehicles like us? Are they going to have an interest to buy any vehicle of any year model, other than their daily drivers? ---BILL Lewis
From: michael at michaelshortt.com
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value
To: lashdeep at yahoo.com
CC: dave at damardirect.com; rob at dumoulins.net; lotus0005 at hotmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords, Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60 set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for driving.
Michael Shortt
The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something.
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd that
loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away.
Yet, those cars are still valuable now.
Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long before
any of them were born.
I have cars that were made before I was born as well.
There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than there
has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular type of
car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB, Youtube,
Pinterest, etc.
Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though...
LS
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To: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>; Bill Lewis
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Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value
How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that
caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future
caretakers.
IndyDave
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From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3]rob at dumoulins.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM
To: Bill Lewis
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Response inline
On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here before
-
> about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I
don't
> know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming)
lack of
> interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First question
is,
> is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned
around?
> -----------------------------------------
> -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending
$$$$ on
> racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the
old TV
> "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would churn
out a
> bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want
kids to
> smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies
smoke.
I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent
what is wrong with youth.
.
> ---BILL Lewis
> From: [5]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
> To: [6]scscottc at gmail.com; [7]detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value
> I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now (today)
will alway
> s drive them!
> I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up and
driving my
> Pantera.
>
> Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might not
> drive
them a
> s much. In 2035 it
> would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric
cars
> on
the hi
> ghway. ;-)
> Of course availability of gas might be a problem. <heh heh>
>
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
> Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX
> Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
> [8]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[9]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>
>
> From: Scott Carpenter
<[10]scscottc at gmail.com<mailto:[11]scscottc at gmail.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM
> To: De Tomaso List
<[12]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[13]detomaso at poca.com>>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value
>
> I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago.
> Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of
$35,000,
> last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a claim
> so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I
> will
probably
> look at bumping it up in the next year or two.
>
> As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise in
> values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally given
> some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I don't
> want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not
want to drive them.
> Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a viable
> risk
to
> take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on... If
> it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to
> question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs and
> Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or yelling
> at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod.
>
> Scott
> #1523
>
>
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My question: are people (mainly males) age 40 and under, interested in
vehicles (cars, motorcycles, etc.)? What % of them are going to spend
many hours in the garage working/admiring vehicles like us? Are they
going to have an interest to buy any vehicle of any year model, other
than their daily drivers? ---BILL Lewis
__________________________________________________________________
From: michael at michaelshortt.com
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:09:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value
To: lashdeep at yahoo.com
CC: dave at damardirect.com; rob at dumoulins.net; lotus0005 at hotmail.com;
detomaso at poca.com
At Amelia Island a few weeks ago, I noticed that most of the Cords,
Horst, Stutz and older top of the line cars were owned by the 45-60
set, the dune buggies and muscle cars were owned by really much older
men, I think the difference is becoming those who bought what they
loved and those who buy and enjoy as an investment as much as for
driving.
Michael Shortt
The old dudes were smiling more, that counts for something.
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM, LS <[1]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm sure this discussion happened in the 1980s when the crowd
that
loved 1920s and 1930s cars started to pass away.
Yet, those cars are still valuable now.
Bugattis are owned by guys in their 60s, yet they were made long
before
any of them were born.
I have cars that were made before I was born as well.
There is a lot more exposure for old cars in general today than
there
has ever been. The age group that was born after a particular
type of
car was made will have an appreciation for them through FB,
Youtube,
Pinterest, etc.
Who knows what will happen in the next few decades though...
LS
central
wines-spirits est 1934
625 e street nw
washington, dc 20004
[1][2]centralwines.com
[2][3]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
202-737-2800
__________________________________________________________________
From: Dave <[4]dave at damardirect.com>
To: Rob Dumoulin <[5]rob at dumoulins.net>; Bill Lewis
<[6]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso List <[7]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value
How about the cars like a '32 Cadillac16 cyl? Cars that fall in that
caliber, I would think are worrying about who will become the future
caretakers.
IndyDave
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From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:[3][8]rob at dumoulins.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:42 PM
To: Bill Lewis
Cc: De Tomaso List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value
Response inline
On Mar 25, 2014 12:56 PM, "Bill Lewis" <[4][9]lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> I think about this frequently and have mentioned it on here
before
-
> about the "aging & graying" of the American auto enthusiast. I
don't
> know if there is anything that can be done about the (seeming)
lack of
> interest in vehicles of contemporary male youths. First
question
is,
> is that true? Then, if true - why? Then, can it be turned
around?
> -----------------------------------------
> -------------- -I think that if I were GM, instead of spending
$$$$ on
> racing Corvettes, I would produce a 21st century version of the
old TV
> "Route 66" series. And, if I were Harley Davidson, I would
churn
out a
> bunch of the old motorcycle-gang B movies. I mean, if you want
kids to
> smoke, what do you do - you have cool characters in TV/movies
smoke.
I can see Senate hearings to ban sports cars because they represent
what is wrong with youth.
.
> ---BILL Lewis
> From: [5][10]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
> To: [6][11]scscottc at gmail.com; [7][12]detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:38 +0000
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased
value
> I agree. But I think the people who own their Pantera's now
(today)
will alway
> s drive them!
> I know I go through withdrawal if I go too long without firing up
and
driving my
> Pantera.
>
> Our cars will live on, but I think the next generations++ might
not
> drive
them a
> s much. In 2035 it
> would be fun to look down and see a Pantera blowing away electric
cars
> on
the hi
> ghway. ;-)
> Of course availability of gas might be a problem. <heh heh>
>
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Deep Impact Sequence Team Lead
> Deep Impact Spacecraft Engineer & Activity Lead Rosetta/MEX/VEX
> Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
> [8][13]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[9][14]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>
>
> From: Scott Carpenter
<[10][15]scscottc at gmail.com<mailto:[11][16]scscottc at gmail.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:55 AM
> To: De Tomaso List
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] Documentation of Panteras increased value
>
> I've been with Hagerty since I got my Pantera fourteen years ago.
> Originally I had my Pantera on an agreed upon value policy of
$35,000,
> last year I bumped it up to $60,000. I've never had to make a
claim
> so I guess so far I am happy with them. If values keep going up I
> will
probably
> look at bumping it up in the next year or two.
>
> As someone who will probably never sell I am torn about the raise
in
> values. While I think it is great that the Pantera is finally
given
> some recognition for being the great car we all know it is, I
don't
> want it to become worth so much that it starts to make people not
want to drive them.
> Personally even if my Pantera is worth $50-70K it is still a
viable
> risk
to
> take for the same nice weekend drives that I usually take it on...
If
> it were to drastically go up to say $150K then I might start to
> question the sanity of driving it amongst a sea of Pickups, SUVs
and
> Minivans where the drivers may or may not be busy texting or
yelling
> at the kids in back to see my tiny little Italian hot rod.
>
> Scott
> #1523
>
>
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