[DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy

Sat Jun 21 20:10:46 EDT 2014

HGP puts on a great show. It's a fantastic group of cars and a great group of guys driving them. Glad you enjoyed watching them.

Gray

-----Original Message-----
From: LS [mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:48 AM
To: Tony DiGiovanna
Cc: michael at michaelshortt.com; Gray Gregory; detomaso at poca.com; Dave
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy

The Historic F1 racing at the Canadian GP two weekends ago was much more exciting than current F1...

The cars were amazing too!

LS

> On Jun 20, 2014, at 22:05, Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> Amen Brother.  But you left one off the best list:  you and me duking it out at any track in our Panteras.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of 
> michael at michaelshortt.com
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 9:28 PM
> To: Gray Gregory
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com; Dave
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
> 
> To be honest, All racing has turned to crap.
> 
> NHRA at 1,000 feet.
> F1 no refueling, tires drsigned to fail, hybird crap with effectively a 12k rev limit.
> Indy is a glorifed spec series
> Lemans is electric diesel CF
> 
> The best racing is SCCA, Saturday night dirt tracks and vintage CanAm cars.
> 
> Sad
> 
> Michael Shortt
>> On Jun 20, 2014 9:22 PM, "Gray Gregory" <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It makes me sick how Indy is now just a shadow of its former self and 
>> I think Tony is mostly to blame. His entire tenure as head of IMS saw 
>> a steady decline of what was once the most prestigious race in the world.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Gray
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:* Dave [mailto:dave at damardirect.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 20, 2014 8:08 AM
>> *To:* Gray Gregory; michael at michaelshortt.com
>> *Cc:* detomaso at poca.com; LS
>> *Subject:* RE: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I agree, especially about Tony. Tony had visions of grandeur 
>> regarding the
>> F1 / IMS series. He played  a HUGE  amount of the family money on the 
>> renovation for F1, road course, new suites above the pits and new F1 
>> garages. It was almost an “all in” financial proposition that led to 
>> his demise as president of IMS. His sisters wanted his head, and 
>> voted to remove him as president. The facility came very, very close 
>> to selling, unknown to most just how close. You could write a book 
>> about what all went on at IMS. I think it is getting a little bit 
>> better but something could drop next week.
>> 
>> IndyDave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:* Gray Gregory [mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com 
>> <rgg at gregorycook.com>]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:32 PM
>> *To:* michael at michaelshortt.com
>> *Cc:* detomaso at poca.com; LS; Dave
>> *Subject:* RE: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yeah Bernie is definitely a prick and had no respect for Indy and all 
>> the history that comes with it, but that’s pretty much just SOP for 
>> him. I was talking to one of the CoTA owners at the vintage 
>> championships last fall about their negotiations with him and it did 
>> not sound like fun! As for IMS; sending Tony George to negotiate with 
>> Bernie was absolutely sending a lamb into a lion’s den he didn’t stand a chance.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Gray
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:* michaelsavga at gmail.com [mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com 
>> <michaelsavga at gmail.com>] *On Behalf Of *michael at michaelshortt.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:05 PM
>> *To:* Gray Gregory
>> *Cc:* detomaso at poca.com; LS; Dave
>> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Attended them all at Indy...what put them off was Bernie trying to 
>> extort
>> $30 million fron IMS.
>> That anf the total lack of respect F1 gave us, when there, the crowd 
>> was easily the largest at any F1 race, 175K-200K, yet all the midget 
>> could say was that the stands were half empty...yeah thry were...it's that big.
>> 
>> Michael Shortt
>> 
>> On Jun 19, 2014 8:54 PM, "Gray Gregory" <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think it was the drivers that didn't like it. As I recall 
>> they all were in awe of being at the speedway and generally had good 
>> things to say about the track. The tires definitely didn't like it 
>> the first year; the Michelins were delaminating due to the high 
>> speeds on the very stretch of track you're talking about and it 
>> resulted in all the Michelin teams sitting out the race after losing 
>> their plea to get a chicane put on the front straight. Unfortunately 
>> this lead to a very boring race and sadly set the US grand prix at 
>> Indy off on such a bad foot that it never was able to really recover.
>> 
>> Gray
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:07 AM
>> To: LS
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
>> 
>> When F1 was at Indy-IMS, the drivers were not fond of exiting the 
>> road course in the short chute between the conventional turns 1 & 2, 
>> exiting the traditional turn 1 (counterclockwise) and traveling down the front stretch.
>> As I remember, it was fastest F1 cars traveled on any course, at the time.
>> The front stretch is 0.625 miles. The F! cars did not travel the 
>> entire front stretch before ducking back into the road course.
>> IndyDave
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: LS [mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 8:59 PM
>> To: Dave
>> Cc: John Donahue; Boyd Casey; detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: F1 Drivers at Indy
>> 
>> I am a huge MS fan and wish him a recovery worthy of his accomplishments.
>> 
>> Dave's comment has me wondering...
>> 
>> We all know that F1 drivers don't always translate to NASCAR success. 
>> This is due to a lot of reasons.
>> 
>> What I want to discuss is whether F1 skill can translate into Indy 
>> success. On road courses, sure...Villeneuve, Montoya and Mansell all 
>> mixed both well.
>> 
>> Has that always been the case?
>> 
>> LS
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2014, at 16:03, Dave <dave at damardirect.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not too adaptable to high speed ovals and concrete.
>>> IndyDave
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Donahue [mailto:demongusta at me.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 6:47 PM
>>> To: Boyd Casey
>>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Michael Schumacher
>>> 
>>> F-1 drivers are "special" people.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 17, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Like "they" say," it's not over until the fat lady sings" . Lots of
>> people are quick to count people out. Schumacher is a fighter . 
>> Seeing him overcome the odds is an inspiration to people every where 
>> who are facing uphill battles. I wish him Gods Speed and a full recovery!
>>>> 
>>>> Boyd
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:04 AM, John Donahue via DeTomaso <
>> detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>>>> He is out of his coma and going to rehab. Remarkable!!!
>>>> 
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