[DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy

Fri Jun 20 22:05:37 EDT 2014

Amen Brother.  But you left one off the best list:  you and me duking it out at any track in our Panteras.

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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of michael at michaelshortt.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 9:28 PM
To: Gray Gregory
Cc: detomaso at poca.com; Dave
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy

To be honest, All racing has turned to crap.

NHRA at 1,000 feet.
F1 no refueling, tires drsigned to fail, hybird crap with effectively a 12k rev limit.
Indy is a glorifed spec series
Lemans is electric diesel CF

The best racing is SCCA, Saturday night dirt tracks and vintage CanAm cars.

Sad

Michael Shortt
 On Jun 20, 2014 9:22 PM, "Gray Gregory" <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:

>  It makes me sick how Indy is now just a shadow of its former self and 
> I think Tony is mostly to blame. His entire tenure as head of IMS saw 
> a steady decline of what was once the most prestigious race in the world.
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> Gray
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> *From:* Dave [mailto:dave at damardirect.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 20, 2014 8:08 AM
> *To:* Gray Gregory; michael at michaelshortt.com
> *Cc:* detomaso at poca.com; LS
> *Subject:* RE: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
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> I agree, especially about Tony. Tony had visions of grandeur regarding 
> the
> F1 / IMS series. He played  a HUGE  amount of the family money on the 
> renovation for F1, road course, new suites above the pits and new F1 
> garages. It was almost an “all in” financial proposition that led to 
> his demise as president of IMS. His sisters wanted his head, and voted 
> to remove him as president. The facility came very, very close to 
> selling, unknown to most just how close. You could write a book about 
> what all went on at IMS. I think it is getting a little bit better but 
> something could drop next week.
>
> IndyDave
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> *From:* Gray Gregory [mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com 
> <rgg at gregorycook.com>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:32 PM
> *To:* michael at michaelshortt.com
> *Cc:* detomaso at poca.com; LS; Dave
> *Subject:* RE: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
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> Yeah Bernie is definitely a prick and had no respect for Indy and all 
> the history that comes with it, but that’s pretty much just SOP for 
> him. I was talking to one of the CoTA owners at the vintage 
> championships last fall about their negotiations with him and it did 
> not sound like fun! As for IMS; sending Tony George to negotiate with 
> Bernie was absolutely sending a lamb into a lion’s den he didn’t stand a chance.
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> Gray
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> *From:* michaelsavga at gmail.com [mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com 
> <michaelsavga at gmail.com>] *On Behalf Of *michael at michaelshortt.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:05 PM
> *To:* Gray Gregory
> *Cc:* detomaso at poca.com; LS; Dave
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
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> Attended them all at Indy...what put them off was Bernie trying to 
> extort
> $30 million fron IMS.
> That anf the total lack of respect F1 gave us, when there, the crowd 
> was easily the largest at any F1 race, 175K-200K, yet all the midget 
> could say was that the stands were half empty...yeah thry were...it's that big.
>
> Michael Shortt
>
> On Jun 19, 2014 8:54 PM, "Gray Gregory" <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
>
> I don't think it was the drivers that didn't like it. As I recall they 
> all were in awe of being at the speedway and generally had good things 
> to say about the track. The tires definitely didn't like it the first 
> year; the Michelins were delaminating due to the high speeds on the 
> very stretch of track you're talking about and it resulted in all the 
> Michelin teams sitting out the race after losing their plea to get a 
> chicane put on the front straight. Unfortunately this lead to a very 
> boring race and sadly set the US grand prix at Indy off on such a bad 
> foot that it never was able to really recover.
>
> Gray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:07 AM
> To: LS
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
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> When F1 was at Indy-IMS, the drivers were not fond of exiting the road 
> course in the short chute between the conventional turns 1 & 2, 
> exiting the traditional turn 1 (counterclockwise) and traveling down the front stretch.
> As I remember, it was fastest F1 cars traveled on any course, at the time.
> The front stretch is 0.625 miles. The F! cars did not travel the 
> entire front stretch before ducking back into the road course.
> IndyDave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LS [mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 8:59 PM
> To: Dave
> Cc: John Donahue; Boyd Casey; detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: F1 Drivers at Indy
>
> I am a huge MS fan and wish him a recovery worthy of his accomplishments.
>
> Dave's comment has me wondering...
>
> We all know that F1 drivers don't always translate to NASCAR success. 
> This is due to a lot of reasons.
>
> What I want to discuss is whether F1 skill can translate into Indy 
> success. On road courses, sure...Villeneuve, Montoya and Mansell all 
> mixed both well.
>
> Has that always been the case?
>
> LS
>
> > On Jun 18, 2014, at 16:03, Dave <dave at damardirect.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not too adaptable to high speed ovals and concrete.
> > IndyDave
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Donahue [mailto:demongusta at me.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 6:47 PM
> > To: Boyd Casey
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Michael Schumacher
> >
> > F-1 drivers are "special" people.
> >
> >> On Jun 17, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Like "they" say," it's not over until the fat lady sings" . Lots of
> people are quick to count people out. Schumacher is a fighter . Seeing  
> him overcome the odds is an inspiration to people every where who are 
> facing uphill battles. I wish him Gods Speed and a full recovery!
> >>
> >> Boyd
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:04 AM, John Donahue via DeTomaso <
> detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> >> He is out of his coma and going to rehab. Remarkable!!!
> >>
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