[DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
michael at michaelshortt.com
michael at michaelshortt.com
Fri Jun 20 21:28:19 EDT 2014
To be honest, All racing has turned to crap.
NHRA at 1,000 feet.
F1 no refueling, tires drsigned to fail, hybird crap with effectively a 12k
rev limit.
Indy is a glorifed spec series
Lemans is electric diesel CF
The best racing is SCCA, Saturday night dirt tracks and vintage CanAm cars.
Sad
Michael Shortt
On Jun 20, 2014 9:22 PM, "Gray Gregory" <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
> It makes me sick how Indy is now just a shadow of its former self and I
> think Tony is mostly to blame. His entire tenure as head of IMS saw a
> steady decline of what was once the most prestigious race in the world.
>
>
>
> Gray
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave [mailto:dave at damardirect.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 20, 2014 8:08 AM
> *To:* Gray Gregory; michael at michaelshortt.com
> *Cc:* detomaso at poca.com; LS
> *Subject:* RE: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
>
>
>
> I agree, especially about Tony. Tony had visions of grandeur regarding the
> F1 / IMS series. He played a HUGE amount of the family money on the
> renovation for F1, road course, new suites above the pits and new F1
> garages. It was almost an “all in” financial proposition that led to his
> demise as president of IMS. His sisters wanted his head, and voted to
> remove him as president. The facility came very, very close to selling,
> unknown to most just how close. You could write a book about what all went
> on at IMS. I think it is getting a little bit better but something could
> drop next week.
>
> IndyDave
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Gray Gregory [mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com <rgg at gregorycook.com>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:32 PM
> *To:* michael at michaelshortt.com
> *Cc:* detomaso at poca.com; LS; Dave
> *Subject:* RE: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
>
>
>
> Yeah Bernie is definitely a prick and had no respect for Indy and all the
> history that comes with it, but that’s pretty much just SOP for him. I was
> talking to one of the CoTA owners at the vintage championships last fall
> about their negotiations with him and it did not sound like fun! As for
> IMS; sending Tony George to negotiate with Bernie was absolutely sending a
> lamb into a lion’s den he didn’t stand a chance.
>
>
>
> Gray
>
>
>
> *From:* michaelsavga at gmail.com [mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
> <michaelsavga at gmail.com>] *On Behalf Of *michael at michaelshortt.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:05 PM
> *To:* Gray Gregory
> *Cc:* detomaso at poca.com; LS; Dave
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
>
>
>
> Attended them all at Indy...what put them off was Bernie trying to extort
> $30 million fron IMS.
> That anf the total lack of respect F1 gave us, when there, the crowd was
> easily the largest at any F1 race, 175K-200K, yet all the midget could say
> was that the stands were half empty...yeah thry were...it's that big.
>
> Michael Shortt
>
> On Jun 19, 2014 8:54 PM, "Gray Gregory" <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
>
> I don't think it was the drivers that didn't like it. As I recall they all
> were in awe of being at the speedway and generally had good things to say
> about the track. The tires definitely didn't like it the first year; the
> Michelins were delaminating due to the high speeds on the very stretch of
> track you're talking about and it resulted in all the Michelin teams
> sitting out the race after losing their plea to get a chicane put on the
> front straight. Unfortunately this lead to a very boring race and sadly set
> the US grand prix at Indy off on such a bad foot that it never was able to
> really recover.
>
> Gray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:07 AM
> To: LS
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
>
> When F1 was at Indy-IMS, the drivers were not fond of exiting the road
> course in the short chute between the conventional turns 1 & 2, exiting the
> traditional turn 1 (counterclockwise) and traveling down the front stretch.
> As I remember, it was fastest F1 cars traveled on any course, at the time.
> The front stretch is 0.625 miles. The F! cars did not travel the entire
> front stretch before ducking back into the road course.
> IndyDave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LS [mailto:lashdeep at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 8:59 PM
> To: Dave
> Cc: John Donahue; Boyd Casey; detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: F1 Drivers at Indy
>
> I am a huge MS fan and wish him a recovery worthy of his accomplishments.
>
> Dave's comment has me wondering...
>
> We all know that F1 drivers don't always translate to NASCAR success. This
> is due to a lot of reasons.
>
> What I want to discuss is whether F1 skill can translate into Indy
> success. On road courses, sure...Villeneuve, Montoya and Mansell all mixed
> both well.
>
> Has that always been the case?
>
> LS
>
> > On Jun 18, 2014, at 16:03, Dave <dave at damardirect.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not too adaptable to high speed ovals and concrete.
> > IndyDave
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Donahue [mailto:demongusta at me.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 6:47 PM
> > To: Boyd Casey
> > Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Michael Schumacher
> >
> > F-1 drivers are "special" people.
> >
> >> On Jun 17, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Like "they" say," it's not over until the fat lady sings" . Lots of
> people are quick to count people out. Schumacher is a fighter . Seeing him
> overcome the odds is an inspiration to people every where who are facing
> uphill battles. I wish him Gods Speed and a full recovery!
> >>
> >> Boyd
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:04 AM, John Donahue via DeTomaso <
> detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> >> He is out of his coma and going to rehab. Remarkable!!!
> >>
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To be honest, All racing has turned to crap.
NHRA at 1,000 feet.
F1 no refueling, tires drsigned to fail, hybird crap with effectively a
12k rev limit.
Indy is a glorifed spec series
Lemans is electric diesel CF
The best racing is SCCA, Saturday night dirt tracks and vintage CanAm
cars.
Sad
Michael Shortt
On Jun 20, 2014 9:22 PM, "Gray Gregory" <[1]rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
It makes me sick how Indy is now just a shadow of its former self and I
think Tony is mostly to blame. His entire tenure as head of IMS saw a
steady decline of what was once the most prestigious race in the world.
A
Gray
A
From: Dave [mailto:[2]dave at damardirect.com]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 8:08 AM
To: Gray Gregory; [3]michael at michaelshortt.com
Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com; LS
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
A
I agree, especially about Tony. Tony had visions of grandeur regarding
the F1 / IMS series. He playedA a HUGEA amount of the family money on
the renovation for F1, road course, new suites above the pits and new
F1 garages. It was almost an aall ina financial proposition that led to
his demise as president of IMS. His sisters wanted his head, and voted
to remove him as president. The facility came very, very close to
selling, unknown to most just how close. You could write a book about
what all went on at IMS. I think it is getting a little bit better but
something could drop next week.
IndyDave
A
A
From: Gray Gregory [[5]mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:32 PM
To: [6]michael at michaelshortt.com
Cc: [7]detomaso at poca.com; LS; Dave
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
A
Yeah Bernie is definitely a prick and had no respect for Indy and all
the history that comes with it, but thatas pretty much just SOP for
him. I was talking to one of the CoTA owners at the vintage
championships last fall about their negotiations with him and it did
not sound like fun! As for IMS; sending Tony George to negotiate with
Bernie was absolutely sending a lamb into a lionas den he didnat stand
a chance.
A
Gray
A
From: [8]michaelsavga at gmail.com [[9]mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com] On
Behalf Of [10]michael at michaelshortt.com
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:05 PM
To: Gray Gregory
Cc: [11]detomaso at poca.com; LS; Dave
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
A
Attended them all at Indy...what put them off was Bernie trying to
extort $30 million fron IMS.
That anf the total lack of respect F1 gave us, when there, the crowd
was easily the largest at any F1 race, 175K-200K, yet all the midget
could say was that the stands were half empty...yeah thry were...it's
that big.
Michael Shortt
On Jun 19, 2014 8:54 PM, "Gray Gregory" <[12]rgg at gregorycook.com>
wrote:
I don't think it was the drivers that didn't like it. As I recall
they all were in awe of being at the speedway and generally had good
things to say about the track. The tires definitely didn't like it
the first year; the Michelins were delaminating due to the high
speeds on the very stretch of track you're talking about and it
resulted in all the Michelin teams sitting out the race after losing
their plea to get a chicane put on the front straight. Unfortunately
this lead to a very boring race and sadly set the US grand prix at
Indy off on such a bad foot that it never was able to really
recover.
Gray
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[13]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
Dave
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:07 AM
To: LS
Cc: [14]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
When F1 was at Indy-IMS, the drivers were not fond of exiting the
road course in the short chute between the conventional turns 1 & 2,
exiting the traditional turn 1 (counterclockwise) and traveling down
the front stretch. As I remember, it was fastest F1 cars traveled on
any course, at the time. The front stretch is 0.625 miles. The F!
cars did not travel the entire front stretch before ducking back
into the road course.
IndyDave
-----Original Message-----
From: LS [mailto:[15]lashdeep at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 8:59 PM
To: Dave
Cc: John Donahue; Boyd Casey; [16]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: F1 Drivers at Indy
I am a huge MS fan and wish him a recovery worthy of his
accomplishments.
Dave's comment has me wondering...
We all know that F1 drivers don't always translate to NASCAR
success. This is due to a lot of reasons.
What I want to discuss is whether F1 skill can translate into Indy
success. On road courses, sure...Villeneuve, Montoya and Mansell all
mixed both well.
Has that always been the case?
LS
> On Jun 18, 2014, at 16:03, Dave <[17]dave at damardirect.com> wrote:
>
> Not too adaptable to high speed ovals and concrete.
> IndyDave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Donahue [mailto:[18]demongusta at me.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 6:47 PM
> To: Boyd Casey
> Cc: [19]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Michael Schumacher
>
> F-1 drivers are "special" people.
>
>> On Jun 17, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Boyd Casey <[20]boyd411 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Like "they" say," it's not over until the fat lady sings" . Lots
of people are quick to count people out. Schumacher is a fighter .
Seeing A him overcome the odds is an inspiration to people every
where who are facing uphill battles. I wish him Gods Speed and a
full recovery!
>>
>> Boyd
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:04 AM, John Donahue via DeTomaso
<[21]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>> He is out of his coma and going to rehab. Remarkable!!!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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