[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 120, Issue 17

Wed Jun 18 14:20:40 EDT 2014

Depends on what's considered rare. Most of the 250-300 pre-production pushbutton Panteras and all Mangustas got chromed-brass window surrounds. I always assumed the same supplier did both cars. When Ford was in charge & full production started, they went with high-volume stainless in place of hand-made brass/chrome.

So is the one piece chrome really that limited?

Kenny (mudgepondexpress) Hall

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Long time lurker here and owner of 1411 (which will sadly soon be for
sale after 24 years of ownership).

I thought all early cars (push buttons, and the first few hundred square
handle) had the one piece side and two piece front chrome window
frame/trim?  I know mine does and it has the flat deck, solid chrome but
it is also within 24 VIN numbers of one you listed.

For the steering wheel discussion, mine still has the factory Ferraro
steering wheel.  I thought that was normal at first, then I found out
how rate it actually was.  It feels right in the car and I can't imagine
anything else in there.

So is the one piece chrome really that limited?

Kenny (mudgepondexpress) Hall

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:21:17 -0700
From: Jordan Klein <ohjordan at hotmail.com>
To: <detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Fwd: modded Pantera to be auctioned at Newport
	Beach next weekend
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The pictures of #1435 show a flat deck ('71) square door handles (late
'71 change from push button) and from the pictures it appears to be one
of the few with solid window frames (rather than the stainless window
frame caps).  

I don't remember the exact number, but a few Pantera's body production
was delayed because the supplier couldn't deliver the stainless steel
window frame caps.  DeTomaso historians know precisely the quantity and
serial numbers of these rare cars.  My recollection is something less
than 20-30 cars, and this car's serial number falls within 7 numbers of
another car I know personally that has the solid window frames. 

As the story was shared with me, the stainless window frame caps were
back-ordered, which stalled the body production line.  After inordinate
delays, DeTomaso patience finally turned to action; he contracted with a
local cathedral window maker to hand fabricate window frames from brass
which were then dipped for chroming.  

If my eye is correct, and #1435 does in fact have the solid window
frames, that may explain in part the apparent 'out-of-sequence'
production timeline for this particular car.  It might also make this
particular car one of a few with this rare anomaly and perhaps be more
valuable to aficionados of DeTomaso production minutia.    

Regarding the '72 registration, dealers frequently titled these cars in
whatever year was convenient, expedient, and/or satisfied the marketing
objective.  '71 Panteras were occasionally registered as '72's simply
because they arrived late on the dealer's lot, and the dealer didn't
want the appearance of having the 'iconic' Pantera unsold for what
appeared to be last years model.  So with a wave of the magic wand, some
'71s became '72s.  It seems it was at the dealer's discretion.  

I don't claim to be the ultimate authority on DeTomaso production, but
if this car has the solid window frames, this scenario is a good guess.

Jordan Klein
#7314

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   Depends on what's considered rare. Most of the 250-300 pre-production
   pushbutton Panteras and all Mangustas got chromed-brass window
   surrounds. I always assumed the same supplier did both cars. When Ford
   was in charge & full production started, they went with high-volume
   stainless in place of hand-made brass/chrome.

So is the one piece chrome really that limited?

Kenny (mudgepondexpress) Hall

   -----Original Message-----
   From: Kenny Hall via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
   To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Wed, Jun 18, 2014 7:51 am
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 120, Issue 17
   Attached Message
   From:    Kenny Hall <Kenny.Hall at Servatron.com>
   To:      detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: RE: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 120, Issue 17
   Date:    Wed, 18 Jun 2014 07:50:50 -0700
Long time lurker here and owner of 1411 (which will sadly soon be for
sale after 24 years of ownership).

I thought all early cars (push buttons, and the first few hundred square
handle) had the one piece side and two piece front chrome window
frame/trim?  I know mine does and it has the flat deck, solid chrome but
it is also within 24 VIN numbers of one you listed.

For the steering wheel discussion, mine still has the factory Ferraro
steering wheel.  I thought that was normal at first, then I found out
how rate it actually was.  It feels right in the car and I can't imagine
anything else in there.

So is the one piece chrome really that limited?

Kenny (mudgepondexpress) Hall

Message: 6
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:21:17 -0700
From: Jordan Klein <[1]ohjordan at hotmail.com>
To: <[2]detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Fwd: modded Pantera to be auctioned at Newport
        Beach next weekend
Message-ID: <[3]BLU177-W3410F731415870A7DFA3C4D4160 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

The pictures of #1435 show a flat deck ('71) square door handles (late
'71 change from push button) and from the pictures it appears to be one
of the few with solid window frames (rather than the stainless window
frame caps).

I don't remember the exact number, but a few Pantera's body production
was delayed because the supplier couldn't deliver the stainless steel
window frame caps.  DeTomaso historians know precisely the quantity and
serial numbers of these rare cars.  My recollection is something less
than 20-30 cars, and this car's serial number falls within 7 numbers of
another car I know personally that has the solid window frames.

As the story was shared with me, the stainless window frame caps were
back-ordered, which stalled the body production line.  After inordinate
delays, DeTomaso patience finally turned to action; he contracted with a
local cathedral window maker to hand fabricate window frames from brass
which were then dipped for chroming.

If my eye is correct, and #1435 does in fact have the solid window
frames, that may explain in part the apparent 'out-of-sequence'
production timeline for this particular car.  It might also make this
particular car one of a few with this rare anomaly and perhaps be more
valuable to aficionados of DeTomaso production minutia.

Regarding the '72 registration, dealers frequently titled these cars in
whatever year was convenient, expedient, and/or satisfied the marketing
objective.  '71 Panteras were occasionally registered as '72's simply
because they arrived late on the dealer's lot, and the dealer didn't
want the appearance of having the 'iconic' Pantera unsold for what
appeared to be last years model.  So with a wave of the magic wand, some
'71s became '72s.  It seems it was at the dealer's discretion.

I don't claim to be the ultimate authority on DeTomaso production, but
if this car has the solid window frames, this scenario is a good guess.

Jordan Klein
#7314

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