[DeTomaso] Thermostat restrictor plate 351 C
Ken Green
kenn_green at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 10 16:15:52 EDT 2014
Just as a side issue, someone mentioned a while back (a few years?) about how the passages in the front of the block were not a real good match to the passages in the timing cover. That was definitely the case for my block, and I think matching the casting to the holes in the cover is a simple and maybe beneficial exercise to improve coolant flow.
Ken
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From: John Donahue <demongusta at me.com>
To: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
Cc: "DeTomaso at poca.com" <DeTomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Thermostat restrictor plate 351 C
Pantera Cooling System Gurus:
Could I get a picture of the front of a Cleveland motor with no water pump on it? The pictures of the restrictor plate were great. Is there an opening on the side of the IPSCO block off plate? The stock restrictor plate is a donut, while the IPSCO aluminum plate looks enclosed except for the pinhole. Maybe an angle-shot would show that the side of this blocking plate has an opening in it.
Jack
4348
> On Jun 10, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey! I did put it in quotes!
> :-)
> It froze three times last winter at my place... My palm trees
> suffered....
> sniff sniff
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Bill Moore <[1]bill at incendium.com>
> wrote:
>
> "WINTER" - Houston, really ?
> Cheers:
> Please use my [2]bill at incendium.com email address in all messages.
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply Ltd.
> Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.
> Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9
> 403.202.0055
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> Kirby Schrader
> Sent: June-10-14 11:26 AM
> To: Larry Finch
> Cc: 576103 .; Panteras
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Thermostat restrictor plate 351 C
> I was just typing up my reply when yours arrived, Larry.
> :-)
> I agree. I ran my Cleveland with a non-Cleveland ('Chevy' style)
> thermostat for years with a block off plate that had a really small
> hole just to get rid of the air.
> I drove my car as a daily driver for 6 years to work and back in
> Houston 'winters' and summers.
> The only cooling problem I ever had was the radiator/surge tank cap
> burping coolant when I backed off the throttle at 7000rpm at the
> track.
> Even with a 24psi cap, it burped.
> This is all to do with the (in my opinion and others) poor design of
> the system.
> The surge tank should *not *be on the 'high pressure' side of the
> water pump.
> I have had Mike Trusty pound that into my head enough that I be a
> true believer!
> However, lots of people get along fine with the stock setup.
> Now then, since I have a 'Clevor' in the car, there is no place to
> put a thermostat in/on the engine, so I have a remote thermostat.
> Started cold, the engine circulates water out of each head to the
> front of the car and back until the thermostat mounted up front (ala
> Mike Trusty/John Taphorn mod found at [4]www.spacecitypanteras.com)
> opens up and then it goes to the radiator.
> The 'surge tank' is now on the suction side of the water pump. No
> more burping.
> My GT40 has the same setup. Works just fine, thank you very much.
> Oh.... and both cars have the condenser for the A/C mounted up
> front.
> FWIW,
> Kirby
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Larry Finch
> <[5]fresnofinches at aol.com> wrote:
>> A A All,
>> A A Yes, if you have a stock-style water pump and stock
> restrictor plate,
>> A A you need the Cleveland thermostat with the "hat".
>> A A The rest of this thread, with the dire warnings of engine
> block hot
>> A A spots, and surging cold water, certainly sound like sound
> advice.
>> A A But, now for a different outlook and experience.
>> A A 2511 was built by Quella in the mid ninety's.
>> A A It has a solid, no pin hole, restrictor plate.
>> A A It has the no-bypass Weiand water pump.
>> A A Ron Davis/Quella triple-pass radiator.
>> A A Meriah pusher fans.
>> A A I've put over 50,000 miles on her since purchase in late
> 2002.
>> A A Cracked block? No.
>> A A Tragic cooling issues? No.
>> A A Any issues noted in the past 12 years? No.
>> A A Fellow PCNC member Garth also runs the Weiand pump with no
> problems
>> A A noted.
>> A A Sometimes logic seems to indicate a problem that in the real
> world
>> A A doesn't actually occur.
>> A A YMMV.
>> A A Larry
>>
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> 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> 4. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/
> 5. mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com
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Just as a side issue, someone mentioned a while back (a few years?)
about how the passages in the front of the block were not a real good
match to the passages in the timing cover. That was definitely the
case for my block, and I think matching the casting to the holes in the
cover is a simple and maybe beneficial exercise to improve
coolant flow.
Ken
From: John Donahue <demongusta at me.com>
To: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
Cc: "DeTomaso at poca.com" <DeTomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Thermostat restrictor plate 351 C
Pantera Cooling System Gurus:
Could I get a picture of the front of a Cleveland motor with no water
pump on it? The pictures of the restrictor plate were great. Is there
an opening on the side of the IPSCO block off plate? The stock
restrictor plate is a donut, while the IPSCO aluminum plate looks
enclosed except for the pinhole. Maybe an angle-shot would show that
the side of this blocking plate has an opening in it.
Jack
4348
> On Jun 10, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Kirby Schrader
<[1]kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey! I did put it in quotes!
> :-)
> It froze three times last winter at my place... My palm trees
> suffered....
> sniff sniff
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Bill Moore
<[1][2]bill at incendium.com>
> wrote:
>
> "WINTER" - Houston, really ?
> Cheers:
> Please use my [2][3]bill at incendium.com email address in all
messages.
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply Ltd.
> Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.
> Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9
> 403.202.0055
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3][4]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
Of
> Kirby Schrader
> Sent: June-10-14 11:26 AM
> To: Larry Finch
> Cc: 576103 .; Panteras
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Thermostat restrictor plate 351 C
> I was just typing up my reply when yours arrived, Larry.
> :-)
> I agree. I ran my Cleveland with a non-Cleveland ('Chevy' style)
> thermostat for years with a block off plate that had a really
small
> hole just to get rid of the air.
> I drove my car as a daily driver for 6 years to work and back in
> Houston 'winters' and summers.
> The only cooling problem I ever had was the radiator/surge tank
cap
> burping coolant when I backed off the throttle at 7000rpm at the
> track.
> Even with a 24psi cap, it burped.
> This is all to do with the (in my opinion and others) poor design
of
> the system.
> The surge tank should *not *be on the 'high pressure' side of the
> water pump.
> I have had Mike Trusty pound that into my head enough that I be a
> true believer!
> However, lots of people get along fine with the stock setup.
> Now then, since I have a 'Clevor' in the car, there is no place to
> put a thermostat in/on the engine, so I have a remote thermostat.
> Started cold, the engine circulates water out of each head to the
> front of the car and back until the thermostat mounted up front
(ala
> Mike Trusty/John Taphorn mod found at
[4]www.spacecitypanteras.com)
> opens up and then it goes to the radiator.
> The 'surge tank' is now on the suction side of the water pump. No
> more burping.
> My GT40 has the same setup. Works just fine, thank you very much.
> Oh.... and both cars have the condenser for the A/C mounted up
> front.
> FWIW,
> Kirby
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Larry Finch
> <[5][5]fresnofinches at aol.com> wrote:
>> A A All,
>> A A Yes, if you have a stock-style water pump and stock
> restrictor plate,
>> A A you need the Cleveland thermostat with the "hat".
>> A A The rest of this thread, with the dire warnings of engine
> block hot
>> A A spots, and surging cold water, certainly sound like sound
> advice.
>> A A But, now for a different outlook and experience.
>> A A 2511 was built by Quella in the mid ninety's.
>> A A It has a solid, no pin hole, restrictor plate.
>> A A It has the no-bypass Weiand water pump.
>> A A Ron Davis/Quella triple-pass radiator.
>> A A Meriah pusher fans.
>> A A I've put over 50,000 miles on her since purchase in late
> 2002.
>> A A Cracked block? No.
>> A A Tragic cooling issues? No.
>> A A Any issues noted in the past 12 years? No.
>> A A Fellow PCNC member Garth also runs the Weiand pump with no
> problems
>> A A noted.
>> A A Sometimes logic seems to indicate a problem that in the real
> world
>> A A doesn't actually occur.
>> A A YMMV.
>> A A Larry
>>
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>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[8]bill at incendium.com
> 2. mailto:[9]bill at incendium.com
> 3. mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> 4. [11]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/
> 5. mailto:[12]fresnofinches at aol.com
> 6. mailto:[13]DeTomaso at poca.com
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3. mailto:bill at incendium.com
4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
5. mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com
6. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
7. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
8. mailto:bill at incendium.com
9. mailto:bill at incendium.com
10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
11. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/
12. mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com
13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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