[DeTomaso] Moving ac condenser to front of car., no, don't.

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Another benefit of moving it to the front is improving the weight balance. 



Steve 



----- Original Message -----


From: "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> 
To: "Rob Dumoulin" <rob at dumoulins.net> 
Cc: "Pantera list serve" <detomaso at poca.com>, "Mikael" <mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:03:41 AM 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Moving ac condenser to front of car., no, don't. 

Rob brings up a very important point. The reason for my considering moving 
my condenser is to accommodate the 180 degree headers. Last year I 
installed a completely new ac system . An authentic Sandeen  compressor ( 
if you ever are shopping for a new compressor to replace the antiquated 
York comppressor you will notice most ads say"Sandeen type") or even worse 
they are just Chinese knock offs manufactured without license! Mine was an 
authentic Sandeen and was an SD7 vs an SD5. The SD7 is a rotary compressor 
with 7 pistons vs 5 on the SD5 and has a larger displacement. The bottom 
line is that it  capable of compressing a larger volume of Freon then the 
SD5. I also installed a Parallel flow condenser a new dryer, a new dual fan 
set up and  the new dryer had the correct connections to allow installation 
of both an over pressure  and low pressure cut off switch. ( something that 
was missing from the original Pantera AC system). So my new AC works great. 
It blows colder air then any other Pantera I have seen. So my motivation is 
not in any way connected to an attempt to get a more effective or efficient 
AC. 
I am looking for the best way to keep my AC while installing  180 degree 
exhaust. I already have the exhaust so reworking it to allow the pipes to 
exit from the normal exhaust exit point would be expensive and would also 
require  a change to the cam grind ( which was designed using the 180 
exhaust measurements. 
What about thinking outside the box ? I know just about everyone has seen 
the Ring Bros. Pantera. My new parallel flow condenser is very thin. What 
if I could mount it on the front hood with it's own fans and suck air from 
inside the car ( the air that comes to the car through the front grill and 
from under the car and exhaust through the hood?. I could modify the hood 
(if necessary ) I already have vents in my front hood. I haven't measured 
them but I think their area is close to the area  in the rear of the car , 
which allows the necessary  air for the AC to operate properly. 
Thoughts ,comments? 

Boyd 


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote: 

>    Let's not forget one reason for making the move was to accommodate 180 
>    degree headers. A Moving up front would be the obvious choice unless 
>    you get really creative with the plumbing and keep the stock exhaust 
>    location. 
>    Rob DuMoulin 
>    904.476.8744 
>    [1]rob at dumoulins.net 
>    [2]www.kbsi.co 
>    [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
> 
>      Boyd wrote: 
>      A  A  A ... 
>      A  A  A I have always 
>      A  A  A wanted 180 degree headers and having just installed a super 
>      deluxe 
>      A  A  A new AC stem last year the prospect of moving the condenser 
>      and hoses 
>      A  A  A to the front of the car is the only thing that is standing 
>      in m way. 
>      A  A  A  ... 
>      A  A  A Boyd 
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>      References 
>      A  A 1. mailto:[6]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk 
>      A  A 2. mailto:[7]boyd411 at gmail.com 
>      A  A 3. mailto:[8]detomaso at poca.com 
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>    1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 
>    2. http://www.kbsi.co/ 
>    3. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 
>    4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 
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   Another benefit of moving it to the front is improving the weight
   balance.


   Steve
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com>
   To: "Rob Dumoulin" <rob at dumoulins.net>
   Cc: "Pantera list serve" <detomaso at poca.com>, "Mikael"
   <mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
   Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:03:41 AM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Moving ac condenser to front of car., no,
   don't.
   Rob brings up a very important point. The reason for my considering
   moving
   my condenser is to accommodate the 180 degree headers. Last year I
   installed a completely new ac system . An authentic Sandeen  compressor
   (
   if you ever are shopping for a new compressor to replace the antiquated
   York comppressor you will notice most ads say"Sandeen type") or even
   worse
   they are just Chinese knock offs manufactured without license! Mine was
   an
   authentic Sandeen and was an SD7 vs an SD5. The SD7 is a rotary
   compressor
   with 7 pistons vs 5 on the SD5 and has a larger displacement. The
   bottom
   line is that it  capable of compressing a larger volume of Freon then
   the
   SD5. I also installed a Parallel flow condenser a new dryer, a new dual
   fan
   set up and  the new dryer had the correct connections to allow
   installation
   of both an over pressure  and low pressure cut off switch. ( something
   that
   was missing from the original Pantera AC system). So my new AC works
   great.
   It blows colder air then any other Pantera I have seen. So my
   motivation is
   not in any way connected to an attempt to get a more effective or
   efficient
   AC.
   I am looking for the best way to keep my AC while installing  180
   degree
   exhaust. I already have the exhaust so reworking it to allow the pipes
   to
   exit from the normal exhaust exit point would be expensive and would
   also
   require  a change to the cam grind ( which was designed using the 180
   exhaust measurements.
   What about thinking outside the box ? I know just about everyone has
   seen
   the Ring Bros. Pantera. My new parallel flow condenser is very thin.
   What
   if I could mount it on the front hood with it's own fans and suck air
   from
   inside the car ( the air that comes to the car through the front grill
   and
   from under the car and exhaust through the hood?. I could modify the
   hood
   (if necessary ) I already have vents in my front hood. I haven't
   measured
   them but I think their area is close to the area  in the rear of the
   car ,
   which allows the necessary  air for the AC to operate properly.
   Thoughts ,comments?
   Boyd
   On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
   >    Let's not forget one reason for making the move was to accommodate
   180
   >    degree headers. A Moving up front would be the obvious choice
   unless
   >    you get really creative with the plumbing and keep the stock
   exhaust
   >    location.
   >    Rob DuMoulin
   >    904.476.8744
   >    [1]rob at dumoulins.net
   >    [2]www.kbsi.co
   >    [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
   >
   >      Boyd wrote:
   >      A  A  A ...
   >      A  A  A I have always
   >      A  A  A wanted 180 degree headers and having just installed a
   super
   >      deluxe
   >      A  A  A new AC stem last year the prospect of moving the
   condenser
   >      and hoses
   >      A  A  A to the front of the car is the only thing that is
   standing
   >      in m way.
   >      A  A  A  ...
   >      A  A  A Boyd
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   >      A  A 1. mailto:[6]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk
   >      A  A 2. mailto:[7]boyd411 at gmail.com
   >      A  A 3. mailto:[8]detomaso at poca.com
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   >    2. http://www.kbsi.co/
   >    3. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
   >    4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
   >    5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
   >    6. mailto:mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk
   >    7. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
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