[DeTomaso] Moving ac condenser to front of car., no, don't.
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Wed Jun 4 14:15:18 EDT 2014
I tyhink you're over-thinking this whole project. I've seen a couple of 180 setups that utilize exhaust pipes and/or short mufflers that do NOT exit straight out the back but are in the std exiting spots on both sides under the bumper. That might let you keep your A/C condenser in back if you're so averse to moving it to the front..
That position is NOT the best for all Panteras, though. It works best if the car is driven relatively slow. And the stock tub is a vital part of the airflow management that allows air from in back of the car to be drawn in, passed thru the condenser and bend downward against the rear of the tub, to exit very close to the ground. This avoids having heated A/C exhaust air simply circle around and around thru the condenser in a loop.
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From: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>
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Sent: Wed, Jun 4, 2014 9:11 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Moving ac condenser to front of car., no, don't.
Boyd,
The location you suggest would expose the condenser to heated air from
the radiator. Popular opinion is that the condenser should be in
ambient air to work best.
Forest
From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
To: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
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<mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Moving ac condenser to front of car., no,
don't.
Rob brings up a very important point. The reason for my considering
moving my condenser is to accommodate the 180 degree headers. Last
year
I installed a completely new ac system . An authentic Sandeen
A compressor ( if you ever are shopping for a new compressor to
replace
the antiquated York comppressor you will notice most ads say"Sandeen
type") or even worse they are just Chinese knock offs manufactured
without license! Mine was an authentic Sandeen and was an SD7 vs an
SD5. The SD7 is a rotary compressor with 7 pistons vs 5 on the SD5
and
has a larger displacement. The bottom line is that it A capable of
compressing a larger volume of Freon then the SD5. I also installed a
Parallel flow condenser a new dryer, a new dual fan set up and A the
new dryer had the correct connections to allow installation of both
an
over pressure A and low pressure cut off switch. ( something that was
missing from the original Pantera AC system). So my new AC works
great.
It blows colder air then any other Pantera I have seen. So my
motivation is not in any way connected to an attempt to get a more
effective or efficient AC.
I am looking for the best way to keep my AC while installing A 180
degree exhaust. I already have the exhaust so reworking it to allow
the
pipes to exit from the normal exhaust exit point would be expensive
and
would also require A a change to the cam grind ( which was designed
using the 180 exhaust measurements.A
What about thinking outside the box ? I know just about everyone has
seen the Ring Bros. Pantera. My new parallel flow condenser is very
thin. What if I could mount it on the front hood with it's own fans
and
suck air from inside the car ( the air that comes to the car through
the front grill and from under the car and exhaust through the hood?.
I
could modify the hood (if necessary ) I already have vents in my
front
hood. I haven't measured them but I think their area is close to the
area A in the rear of the car , which allows the necessary A air for
the AC to operate properly.
Thoughts ,comments?
Boyd
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Rob Dumoulin
<[1][1]rob at dumoulins.net>
wrote:
A A Let's not forget one reason for making the move was to
accommodate 180
A A degree headers. A Moving up front would be the obvious choice
unless
A A you get really creative with the plumbing and keep the stock
exhaust
A A location.
A A Rob DuMoulin
A A [2]904.476.8744
A A [1][3][2]rob at dumoulins.net
A A [2][4]www.kbsi.co
A A [3][5][3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
A A A Boyd wrote:
A A A A A A A A ...
A A A A A A A A I have always
A A A A A A A A wanted 180 degree headers and having just
installed a super
A A A deluxe
A A A A A A A A new AC stem last year the prospect of moving the
condenser
A A A and hoses
A A A A A A A A to the front of the car is the only thing that is
standing
A A A in m way.
A A A A A A A A A ...
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I tyhink you're over-thinking this whole project. I've seen a couple of
180 setups that utilize exhaust pipes and/or short mufflers that do NOT
exit straight out the back but are in the std exiting spots on both
sides under the bumper. That might let you keep your A/C condenser in
back if you're so averse to moving it to the front..
That position is NOT the best for all Panteras, though. It works best
if the car is driven relatively slow. And the stock tub is a vital part
of the airflow management that allows air from in back of the car to be
drawn in, passed thru the condenser and bend downward against the rear
of the tub, to exit very close to the ground. This avoids having heated
A/C exhaust air simply circle around and around thru the condenser in a
loop.
-----Original Message-----
From: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>
To: Pantera list serve <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 4, 2014 9:11 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Moving ac condenser to front of car., no,
don't.
Boyd,
The location you suggest would expose the condenser to heated air from
the radiator. Popular opinion is that the condenser should be in
ambient air to work best.
Forest
From: Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
To: Rob Dumoulin <[2]rob at dumoulins.net>
Cc: Pantera list serve <[3]detomaso at poca.com>; Mikael
<[4]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Moving ac condenser to front of car., no,
don't.
Rob brings up a very important point. The reason for my considering
moving my condenser is to accommodate the 180 degree headers. Last
year
I installed a completely new ac system . An authentic Sandeen
A compressor ( if you ever are shopping for a new compressor to
replace
the antiquated York comppressor you will notice most ads say"Sandeen
type") or even worse they are just Chinese knock offs manufactured
without license! Mine was an authentic Sandeen and was an SD7 vs an
SD5. The SD7 is a rotary compressor with 7 pistons vs 5 on the SD5
and
has a larger displacement. The bottom line is that it A capable of
compressing a larger volume of Freon then the SD5. I also installed a
Parallel flow condenser a new dryer, a new dual fan set up and A the
new dryer had the correct connections to allow installation of both
an
over pressure A and low pressure cut off switch. ( something that was
missing from the original Pantera AC system). So my new AC works
great.
It blows colder air then any other Pantera I have seen. So my
motivation is not in any way connected to an attempt to get a more
effective or efficient AC.
I am looking for the best way to keep my AC while installing A 180
degree exhaust. I already have the exhaust so reworking it to allow
the
pipes to exit from the normal exhaust exit point would be expensive
and
would also require A a change to the cam grind ( which was designed
using the 180 exhaust measurements.A
What about thinking outside the box ? I know just about everyone has
seen the Ring Bros. Pantera. My new parallel flow condenser is very
thin. What if I could mount it on the front hood with it's own fans
and
suck air from inside the car ( the air that comes to the car through
the front grill and from under the car and exhaust through the hood?.
I
could modify the hood (if necessary ) I already have vents in my
front
hood. I haven't measured them but I think their area is close to the
area A in the rear of the car , which allows the necessary A air for
the AC to operate properly.
Thoughts ,comments?
Boyd
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Rob Dumoulin
<[1][1][5]rob at dumoulins.net>
wrote:
A A Let's not forget one reason for making the move was to
accommodate 180
A A degree headers. A Moving up front would be the obvious choice
unless
A A you get really creative with the plumbing and keep the stock
exhaust
A A location.
A A Rob DuMoulin
A A [2]904.476.8744
A A [1][3][2][6]rob at dumoulins.net
A A [2][4][7]www.kbsi.co
A A [3][5][3][8]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
A A A Boyd wrote:
A A A A A A A A ...
A A A A A A A A I have always
A A A A A A A A wanted 180 degree headers and having just
installed a super
A A A deluxe
A A A A A A A A new AC stem last year the prospect of moving the
condenser
A A A and hoses
A A A A A A A A to the front of the car is the only thing that is
standing
A A A in m way.
A A A A A A A A A ...
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