[DeTomaso] Techno Question: Shift Linkage U joints
Dave Londry
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Sat Dec 20 13:37:53 EST 2014
That was Mobil1 and its smoke temperature is pretty high, as you say.
dave
On 20/12/2014 9:48 AM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote:
> Would it be better to use synthetic oil that has a higher boiling
> temperature? I guess that would only make a difference if the heat is
> to open pores in the metal, not just thin the oil?
> Ken
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
> To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>; doug351c at gmail.com
> Cc: 'De Tomaso List' <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 4:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Shift Linkage U joints
> Creative approach. I suspect the benefit of the hot oil bath is to
> reduce it's viscosity and facilitate flow into the needle bearings.
> That
> said, there can be little benefit boiling the oil to the point of
> smoking as you are damaging the oil at that temp. Seems you may get a
> better benefit by bringing the temp up to 250 degrees and no hotter.
> It
> will still flow like water at that temp.
> JT
> On 12/19/2014 6:15 PM, Charles Engles wrote:
> > Dear Doug,
> >
> >
> > Hmmm. Low cost. Low tech. No downside. I think I will
> try it.
> > Thanks for the "hot" oil tip!
> >
> >
> > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: doug351c [mailto:[1]doug351c at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 12:32 PM
> > To: Charles Engles
> > Cc: De Tomaso List
> > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Shift Linkage U joints
> >
> > Chuck,
> >
> > I had VERY GOOD RESULTS with the following treatment:
> >
> > Punch Mark the u-joints and shafts so you can reassemble them the way
> they
> > were.
> > Remove the u-joints from their shafts.
> > Clean the u-joints with Braklean.
> > Apply pentrating oil once a day for 3 days.
> > Re-clean with Braklean.
> >
> > This lossened them up but they got even better after this last step
> that
> > will make your wife cringe. BTW, have a fire extinguisher handy.
> >
> > After subjecting them to the regimen above, put the joints in a small
> pan of
> > Mobil 1 0W/30; just enough to completely cover the joints. Place the
> pan on
> > one of your range's burners and turn on the overhead vent hood. Heat
> the
> > oil until it either begins to smoke or boil (mine lightly smoked and
> then
> > began to boil). Then turn off the heat and get out of the kitchen
> before
> > you wife catches you! Let it cool overnight and when you take them
> out of
> > the oil, the slow cool will have caused oil to remain in the jont.
> >
> > If you happen to have a hotplate, doing this outdoors makes even more
> sense.
> >
> > I did this to my u-joints about 15 years ago and they're still
> working very
> > free.
> >
> > PS: This is a trick that one of our more knowledgeable forum members,
> Jeff
> > Kimball, taught me.
> >
> > Doug Braun
> > blue 73L #5505
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf Of
> Julian Kift
> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:42 PM
> > To: Charles Engles; 'Boyd Casey'
> > Cc: De Tomaso List
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Shift Linkage U joints
> >
> >
> > Chuck,
> > Have you tried soaking them in a solvent or penetrating fluid?
> > Julian
> >
> > From: [3]cengles at cox.net
> > To: [4]boyd411 at gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:28:52 -0600
> > CC: [5]detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Shift Linkage U joints
> >
> > Dear Boyd,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, I am familiar with them as well as
> the PPC
> > price of $300 for a set for the shift linkage. I want to see if
> there is a
> > less expensive way to improve the OEM part before I take the plunge
> for the
> > Flaming River U joint jewelry.
> >
> >
> >
> > Warmest regards,
> Chuck
> > Engles
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Boyd Casey [mailto:[6]boyd411 at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 4:57 PM
> > To: Charles Engles
> > Cc: [7]detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Shift Linkage U joints
> >
> >
> >
> > Charles,
> >
> > There is a company that makes a replacement linkage that can be used
> for the
> > shifter and the steering column.
> >
> > There name is flaming river. Dennis Quella sells there stuff. It is
> > beautiful.well made and has roller bearings in the U joints and I
> believe
> > the are available is SS steel.
> >
> > Here is a link.http://www.flamingriver.com/index.php/products
> >
> >
> >
> > BOYD
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Charles Engles <[8]cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Forum,
> >
> >
> >
> > After inspecting my shift linkage U
> joints,
> > I found them surprisingly stiff. Treatment with various
> lubricants
> > failed to change things. I recently examined another set of U
> joints
> > and found the same condition.
> >
> >
> >
> > Is it possible to dis-assemble the U
> joints
> > for more effective lubrication -or for machine shop
> modification---in
> > order to eliminate the built in stiffness and resistance of the
> factory
> > U joints? I would think that it would improve the function of
> the
> > shift linkage.
> >
> >
> >
> > Warmest regards, Chuck
> Engles
> >
> >
> >
> >
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That was Mobil1 and its smoke temperature is pretty high, as you say.
dave
On 20/12/2014 9:48 AM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote:
Would it be better to use synthetic oil that has a higher boiling
temperature? I guess that would only make a difference if the heat is
to open pores in the metal, not just thin the oil?
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: John Taphorn [1]<jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
To: Charles Engles [2]<cengles at cox.net>; [3]doug351c at gmail.com
Cc: 'De Tomaso List' [4]<detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Shift Linkage U joints
Creative approach. I suspect the benefit of the hot oil bath is to
reduce it's viscosity and facilitate flow into the needle bearings.
That
said, there can be little benefit boiling the oil to the point of
smoking as you are damaging the oil at that temp. Seems you may get a
better benefit by bringing the temp up to 250 degrees and no hotter.
It
will still flow like water at that temp.
JT
On 12/19/2014 6:15 PM, Charles Engles wrote:
> Dear Doug,
>
>
> Hmmm. Low cost. Low tech. No downside. I think I will
try it.
> Thanks for the "hot" oil tip!
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: doug351c [mailto:[[5]1]doug351c at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 12:32 PM
> To: Charles Engles
> Cc: De Tomaso List
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Shift Linkage U joints
>
> Chuck,
>
> I had VERY GOOD RESULTS with the following treatment:
>
> Punch Mark the u-joints and shafts so you can reassemble them the way
they
> were.
> Remove the u-joints from their shafts.
> Clean the u-joints with Braklean.
> Apply pentrating oil once a day for 3 days.
> Re-clean with Braklean.
>
> This lossened them up but they got even better after this last step
that
> will make your wife cringe. BTW, have a fire extinguisher handy.
>
> After subjecting them to the regimen above, put the joints in a small
pan of
> Mobil 1 0W/30; just enough to completely cover the joints. Place the
pan on
> one of your range's burners and turn on the overhead vent hood. Heat
the
> oil until it either begins to smoke or boil (mine lightly smoked and
then
> began to boil). Then turn off the heat and get out of the kitchen
before
> you wife catches you! Let it cool overnight and when you take them
out of
> the oil, the slow cool will have caused oil to remain in the jont.
>
> If you happen to have a hotplate, doing this outdoors makes even more
sense.
>
> I did this to my u-joints about 15 years ago and they're still
working very
> free.
>
> PS: This is a trick that one of our more knowledgeable forum members,
Jeff
> Kimball, taught me.
>
> Doug Braun
> blue 73L #5505
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[[6]2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf Of
Julian Kift
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:42 PM
> To: Charles Engles; 'Boyd Casey'
> Cc: De Tomaso List
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Shift Linkage U joints
>
>
> Chuck,
> Have you tried soaking them in a solvent or penetrating fluid?
> Julian
>
> From: [[7]3]cengles at cox.net
> To: [[8]4]boyd411 at gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:28:52 -0600
> CC: [[9]5]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Shift Linkage U joints
>
> Dear Boyd,
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, I am familiar with them as well as
the PPC
> price of $300 for a set for the shift linkage. I want to see if
there is a
> less expensive way to improve the OEM part before I take the plunge
for the
> Flaming River U joint jewelry.
>
>
>
> Warmest regards,
Chuck
> Engles
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Boyd Casey [mailto:[[10]6]boyd411 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 4:57 PM
> To: Charles Engles
> Cc: [[11]7]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Shift Linkage U joints
>
>
>
> Charles,
>
> There is a company that makes a replacement linkage that can be used
for the
> shifter and the steering column.
>
> There name is flaming river. Dennis Quella sells there stuff. It is
> beautiful.well made and has roller bearings in the U joints and I
believe
> the are available is SS steel.
>
> Here is a link.http://www.flamingriver.com/index.php/products
>
>
>
> BOYD
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Charles Engles [12]<[8]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
>
>
> After inspecting my shift linkage U
joints,
> I found them surprisingly stiff. Treatment with various
lubricants
> failed to change things. I recently examined another set of U
joints
> and found the same condition.
>
>
>
> Is it possible to dis-assemble the U
joints
> for more effective lubrication -or for machine shop
modification---in
> order to eliminate the built in stiffness and resistance of the
factory
> U joints? I would think that it would improve the function of
the
> shift linkage.
>
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck
Engles
>
>
>
>
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