[DeTomaso] Wanted - scientific car wax results

Mark Charlton pantera01826 at rogers.com
Sun Apr 6 17:22:28 EDT 2014


Charlie,

No scientific results to back this up, but I have been using a modern glaze imported from Germany called Klasse. It is very easy to apply. You must use very thin (like barely ANY) coats and buff it off on a per-panel basis as you go. Using too much (or waiting too long to buff) will require a LOT of buffing effort to get a deep wet shine (which it will do either way). I use it on my dark cars because there is no white dust at all. It is also very hard when dried. Works especially well on modern paints. I bought two small bottles two years ago and am barely halfway through one.

I like the 100% carnuba waxes as well, but I find that I need to use a “quick detailer” mist and clean cloth afterwards just to remove all the wax dust.

Good luck,

Mark Charlton
pantera01826 at rogers.com



On Apr 6, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:

>   Hi all
> 
>   What now seems like a billion years ago, but was probably 20-25 years
>   ago, Consumer Reports did a full and impartial test of car waxes.
> 
> 
>   They bought a dozen varieties and followed the instructions. The
>   results were classified based on categories such as "durability after
>   30 trips through the car wash", "ease of application/removal", "gloss
>   to the untrained eye", "amount of powder produced" and I forget what
>   else. The winner was some exotic was that cost $80 a bottle, while the
>   second place wax, which was a mere 1 point behind, was a Meguir's
>   product that I have faithfully used for the past 20 years as a result
>   of that study.
> 
> 
>   It is easy to apply, it is easy to remove. It doesn't leave powder
>   everywhere. It leaves a nice shine and leaves the paint extremely
>   slippery. I don't have to apply it very often, as water beads up
>   heavily for quite some time after application. I have happily used the
>   product for years, confident that it is the best bang for the buck,
>   based on an impartial and scientific study. For me, this adds more
>   value that anecdotal evidence such as someone saying "I use wax X and
>   it works well". Unless you compare X to Y under the same conditions,
>   how can you not know if Y works even better?
> 
> 
>   Anyway, over here in Spain I've run out of my favorite Meguirs. So I
>   used a 100% Carnuba that I got for Christmas on the daily driver BMW,
>   and am horrified. It's the same brand that Johnny Woods uses on his
>   Pantera (and actually sells) so if you've ever seen his car then you
>   know that it makes things shiny. But it is a huuuuuge pain to remove.
>   It requires a tremendous amount of force and scrubbing millimeter by
>   millimeter to get the stuff off. I have wax powder everywhere - all the
>   seams, it seems like the whole car is covered in a fine powder. I'd
>   guess it took at least 3-4 times longer than the Meguir's due to the
>   difficulty of removal - you really need to scrub hard to get the stuff
>   off.
> 
> 
>   All that time trying to get the damn stuff off made it clear to me that
>   I need to buy more wax. But if I want to buy the best possible miracle
>   wax, is anyone aware of a study where they compare the various brands
>   back-to-back to determine which one is really the "best"? The study I
>   saw recommended some products if your goal was Pebble Beach as the
>   product worked well but lasted 24 hours, other products if you planned
>   to wax the car once in its lifetime, and another for "regular" waxing
>   every few months. By rating the various characteristics - durability,
>   ease of application, price, ease of removal, gloss, whatever, you could
>   pick the best product for your use.
> 
> 
>   Anyone still subscribe to Consumer Reports? Anyone know of another
>   impartial study? Thanks!
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   Charlie,

   No scientific results to back this up, but I have been using a modern
   glaze imported from Germany called Klasse. It is very easy to apply.
   You must use very thin (like barely ANY) coats and buff it off on a
   per-panel basis as you go. Using too much (or waiting too long to buff)
   will require a LOT of buffing effort to get a deep wet shine (which it
   will do either way). I use it on my dark cars because there is no white
   dust at all. It is also very hard when dried. Works especially well on
   modern paints. I bought two small bottles two years ago and am barely
   halfway through one.

   I like the 100% carnuba waxes as well, but I find that I need to use a
   "quick detailer" mist and clean cloth afterwards just to remove all the
   wax dust.

   Good luck,

   Mark Charlton
   [1]pantera01826 at rogers.com
   [cid:DA676F68-09FE-4345-832E-DDDB3733C7A6 at phub.net.cable.rogers.com]
   On Apr 6, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Charles McCall <[2]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   wrote:

       Hi all
       What now seems like a billion years ago, but was probably 20-25
     years
       ago, Consumer Reports did a full and impartial test of car waxes.
       They bought a dozen varieties and followed the instructions. The
       results were classified based on categories such as "durability
     after
       30 trips through the car wash", "ease of application/removal",
     "gloss
       to the untrained eye", "amount of powder produced" and I forget
     what
       else. The winner was some exotic was that cost $80 a bottle, while
     the
       second place wax, which was a mere 1 point behind, was a Meguir's
       product that I have faithfully used for the past 20 years as a
     result
       of that study.
       It is easy to apply, it is easy to remove. It doesn't leave powder
       everywhere. It leaves a nice shine and leaves the paint extremely
       slippery. I don't have to apply it very often, as water beads up
       heavily for quite some time after application. I have happily used
     the
       product for years, confident that it is the best bang for the
     buck,
       based on an impartial and scientific study. For me, this adds more
       value that anecdotal evidence such as someone saying "I use wax X
     and
       it works well". Unless you compare X to Y under the same
     conditions,
       how can you not know if Y works even better?
       Anyway, over here in Spain I've run out of my favorite Meguirs. So
     I
       used a 100% Carnuba that I got for Christmas on the daily driver
     BMW,
       and am horrified. It's the same brand that Johnny Woods uses on
     his
       Pantera (and actually sells) so if you've ever seen his car then
     you
       know that it makes things shiny. But it is a huuuuuge pain to
     remove.
       It requires a tremendous amount of force and scrubbing millimeter
     by
       millimeter to get the stuff off. I have wax powder everywhere -
     all the
       seams, it seems like the whole car is covered in a fine powder.
     I'd
       guess it took at least 3-4 times longer than the Meguir's due to
     the
       difficulty of removal - you really need to scrub hard to get the
     stuff
       off.
       All that time trying to get the damn stuff off made it clear to me
     that
       I need to buy more wax. But if I want to buy the best possible
     miracle
       wax, is anyone aware of a study where they compare the various
     brands
       back-to-back to determine which one is really the "best"? The
     study I
       saw recommended some products if your goal was Pebble Beach as the
       product worked well but lasted 24 hours, other products if you
     planned
       to wax the car once in its lifetime, and another for "regular"
     waxing
       every few months. By rating the various characteristics -
     durability,
       ease of application, price, ease of removal, gloss, whatever, you
     could
       pick the best product for your use.
       Anyone still subscribe to Consumer Reports? Anyone know of another
       impartial study? Thanks!
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References

   1. mailto:pantera01826 at rogers.com
   2. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
   3. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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