[DeTomaso] MSD fuel injection

Tue Mar 12 14:25:16 EDT 2013

Yuck.... Kubota orange?
I don't think so...

Nope.... the lawnmower is a carb... much as I hate to admit it.
Shoulda' bought a diesel and had EFI automatically, eh?
:-)

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com> wrote:

> Bill, I wondered about that, I think he should paint all the cars just like
> the lawnmower, just so everything matches, does the lawnmower have EFI ?
>
> Carbs 4 ever.
>
>
> Cheers:
>
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply Ltd.
> Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.
> Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9
> 403.202.0055
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Bill Lewis
> Sent: March-12-13 8:32 AM
> To: Bill Moore; Pantera-KirbySchrader; 'Justin Greisberg'
> Cc: 'Panteras'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD fuel injection
>
> Ah, Bill, you have asked a brilliant question - and don't know it!!!!  Also
> ask Kirby what color he is painting his riding lawnmower!!!!!    ----Bill
> Lewis
>
> > From: Bill at Incendium.com
> > To: kirby.schrader at gmail.com; justingreisberg at hotmail.com
> > Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:05:23 -0600
> > CC: detomaso at poca.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD fuel injection
> >
> > What color are you painting the Pantera Kirby ? lol, or will you
> > surprise us.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Bill Moore
> >
> > Calgary, AB.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
> > Behalf Of Kirby Schrader
> > Sent: March-11-13 6:24 PM
> > To: Justin Greisberg
> > Cc: Panteras
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD fuel injection
> >
> > Justin,
> >
> > Wow.. I'm honestly sorry to hear that.
> >
> > Even though I've had some issues (and all the local guys in the
> > Houston area know of my trials and tribulations), I am still very
> > happy with my Electromotive systems.
> > One on the GT40 (TEC3r) and one on the Pantera (TEC GT).
> >
> > I used to have an F9a Haltech (fuel only) on the Pantera. It was a 1996?
> > system that I installed in 2000.
> > Never had a bit of problem until all the smoke went out of it after 14
> > years.
> >
> > I would NEVER go back to a carburetor.
> > Even if 'The Carbman' threatens me some more!
> > :-)
> >
> > I turn on the key on the GT40. I push the start button.
> > It starts.
> > I don't even have to be in the car to pump it or turn off the key
> > again and try again or.. anything.
> >
> > The Pantera? Just got the EFI installed a couple of months ago. Wasn't
> > the EFI that had me baffled on it.
> > It was the damned coils. I won't _EVER_ buy anything that has smoke in
> > it off of eBay again.
> >
> > Still got some tweaking to do with the Pantera startup settings, but
> > it always starts.
> > It's in the paint shop right now and I sure as hell hope it's finished
> > for the Fun Rally. I intend on driving the car there.
> > A first in my history.
> >
> > Oh, and I don't use an IAC on either car. I've never found a reason to
> > use one?
> >
> > And yes, a chassis dyno helps a lot, but isn't strictly necessary.
> > Just takes more time and lots of logging.
> > The buttometer helps some, too.
> > I took the GT40 to a dyno. It was a total waste of time and money. The
> > guy said.. 'Oh, you don't have a FAST system?'
> > We struggled from there and I went home.
> >
> > FWIW,
> > Kirby
> >
> > PS: Some of the above are 'inside jokes'. You _know_ who you are! Bill!
> > :-)
> >
> >
> > On Mar 11, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Justin Greisberg
> > <justingreisberg at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I still am the voice of reason in the EFI discussions.  I have been
> > working with my Retrotek EFI system for 4+ years now.  Still doesnt
> > run as well as my carb'd engines.  I am making progress, and I hope
> > that one day I will have a really nice setup.  But I would never do it
> > on another vintage car.  And there is nothing plug and play about it.
> > I still have not achieved satisfaction in cranking, cold engine
> > running, and idle.  i have not yet really worked on acceleration much
> > at all.  With a chassis dyno and an EFI system and some time, it is
> possible to really do some nice stuff.
> > But without a chassis dyno, becomes more tedious.  And the various
> > settings and controls are not so intuitive and not so easy for an
> interested amateur.
> > MSD system looks more or less comparable to FAST EZ EFI and retrotek
> > (professional products).  The ACCEL DFI looks even more confusing to
> me...
> > justin
> > > P.S. - a big problem with the pantera is that, if the engine does
> > > not
> > catch on the first try with the starter, you have to turn ignition to
> > off and then on again to crank the starter again.  In some, maybe all,
> > of these systems, ignition off starts a process of resetting the idle
> control motor.
> > That takes maybe a minute or so, but there is not outward indicator of
> > the process.  If you dont give it that full minute, then when you
> > re-crank, the idle motor is not in the right position and the car wont
> > run right the entire time it is running.  Ask me how many years that
> > took me to figure that out....  that is the kind of thing you discover
> when you try to make
> > these things work.  justin
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