[DeTomaso] MSD fuel injection

Tue Mar 12 10:44:39 EDT 2013

Bill, I wondered about that, I think he should paint all the cars just like
the lawnmower, just so everything matches, does the lawnmower have EFI ?

Carbs 4 ever.

Cheers:

Bill Moore
Incendium Supply Ltd.
Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.
Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9
403.202.0055

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
Of Bill Lewis
Sent: March-12-13 8:32 AM
To: Bill Moore; Pantera-KirbySchrader; 'Justin Greisberg'
Cc: 'Panteras'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD fuel injection

Ah, Bill, you have asked a brilliant question - and don't know it!!!!  Also
ask Kirby what color he is painting his riding lawnmower!!!!!    ----Bill
Lewis

> From: Bill at Incendium.com
> To: kirby.schrader at gmail.com; justingreisberg at hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:05:23 -0600
> CC: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD fuel injection
> 
> What color are you painting the Pantera Kirby ? lol, or will you 
> surprise us.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bill Moore
> 
> Calgary, AB.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kirby Schrader
> Sent: March-11-13 6:24 PM
> To: Justin Greisberg
> Cc: Panteras
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD fuel injection
> 
> Justin,
> 
> Wow.. I'm honestly sorry to hear that.
> 
> Even though I've had some issues (and all the local guys in the 
> Houston area know of my trials and tribulations), I am still very 
> happy with my Electromotive systems.
> One on the GT40 (TEC3r) and one on the Pantera (TEC GT).
> 
> I used to have an F9a Haltech (fuel only) on the Pantera. It was a 1996?
> system that I installed in 2000.
> Never had a bit of problem until all the smoke went out of it after 14 
> years.
> 
> I would NEVER go back to a carburetor. 
> Even if 'The Carbman' threatens me some more!
> :-)
> 
> I turn on the key on the GT40. I push the start button.
> It starts.
> I don't even have to be in the car to pump it or turn off the key 
> again and try again or.. anything.
> 
> The Pantera? Just got the EFI installed a couple of months ago. Wasn't 
> the EFI that had me baffled on it.
> It was the damned coils. I won't _EVER_ buy anything that has smoke in 
> it off of eBay again.
> 
> Still got some tweaking to do with the Pantera startup settings, but 
> it always starts.
> It's in the paint shop right now and I sure as hell hope it's finished 
> for the Fun Rally. I intend on driving the car there.
> A first in my history.
> 
> Oh, and I don't use an IAC on either car. I've never found a reason to 
> use one?
> 
> And yes, a chassis dyno helps a lot, but isn't strictly necessary. 
> Just takes more time and lots of logging.
> The buttometer helps some, too.
> I took the GT40 to a dyno. It was a total waste of time and money. The 
> guy said.. 'Oh, you don't have a FAST system?'
> We struggled from there and I went home.
> 
> FWIW,
> Kirby
> 
> PS: Some of the above are 'inside jokes'. You _know_ who you are! Bill!
> :-)
> 
> 
> On Mar 11, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Justin Greisberg 
> <justingreisberg at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I still am the voice of reason in the EFI discussions.  I have been
> working with my Retrotek EFI system for 4+ years now.  Still doesnt 
> run as well as my carb'd engines.  I am making progress, and I hope 
> that one day I will have a really nice setup.  But I would never do it 
> on another vintage car.  And there is nothing plug and play about it.  
> I still have not achieved satisfaction in cranking, cold engine 
> running, and idle.  i have not yet really worked on acceleration much 
> at all.  With a chassis dyno and an EFI system and some time, it is
possible to really do some nice stuff.
> But without a chassis dyno, becomes more tedious.  And the various 
> settings and controls are not so intuitive and not so easy for an
interested amateur.
> MSD system looks more or less comparable to FAST EZ EFI and retrotek 
> (professional products).  The ACCEL DFI looks even more confusing to me...
> justin
> > P.S. - a big problem with the pantera is that, if the engine does 
> > not
> catch on the first try with the starter, you have to turn ignition to 
> off and then on again to crank the starter again.  In some, maybe all, 
> of these systems, ignition off starts a process of resetting the idle
control motor.
> That takes maybe a minute or so, but there is not outward indicator of 
> the process.  If you dont give it that full minute, then when you 
> re-crank, the idle motor is not in the right position and the car wont 
> run right the entire time it is running.  Ask me how many years that 
> took me to figure that out....  that is the kind of thing you discover
when you try to make
> these things work.  justin 		 	   		  
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