[DeTomaso] To Steal a De Tomaso?

[Boyd Casey]

Chuck,
This is just a guess but I think "cloning" might be a name for the scam I
described where someone steals a car and uses it to "build" a car that he
has acquired  documents for. In the case I described we bought a land
crusier that had been stolen and had the vin tags removed and replaced with
vin tags from a wrecked car that the DP's had purchased at a salvage
auction just to get the title and vin tags. This happened to us before the
existence of Car Fax. This types of fraud is much harder to perpetrate now
because Car Fax (as well as some other dats bases) provide info on salvage
titles. Unfortunately services like Car Fax require   17 digit vin #'s so
Panteras as well as many other older cars could potentially still be
vulnerable to this type of "cloning"
Boyd

On Wednesday, June 19, 2013, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote:

> Following up on the discussion regarding Privacy/Theft as it relates to
> license/registration plates,
>
> and VINs that began recently.  What are the risks?
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>
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> The De Tomaso community benefits from the "unintended consequence" of our
> Brand/Marque having a smaller
>
> following than other exotics such as Ferrari, Lambo, Maserati, and many
> other small production sports car makers.
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> Our cars have been, and still are, under-valued, in my opinion.  (This
> makes
> theft less profitable.)
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> The benefit is that our cars are much less targeted by deceitful people.
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> As you all know, I manage the De Tomaso Registry which gives me a unique
> perspective on the subject, and I have
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> had discussions on this topic with people from around the world, including
> law enforcement.
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> I now will lump all crooks, thieves, etc. into one group and call them "a
> Deceitful Person/People", or "DP"s.
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>
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> First let us develop some common ground regarding theft.
>
> I think there may be some miss-understanding regarding what our risks
> really
> are, and how can we best reduce our risk.
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> I'm ignoring vandalism, petty theft like a stereo theft, insurance fraud
> and
> such.
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> Why would a DP steal our DeTomaso?
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> The most often cited reason is money (profit), plain and simple.
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> The DP wants money, quick, easy, and without recourse (capture).
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> Via what MO (Modus Operandi)?
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> 1)  The DP can steal a car, and part it out.
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>
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> 2) The DP can steal a car, re-title it somehow, and quickly sell it.
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> What else?
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> I've been told that "Cloning" is a risk by someone in the UK, and perhaps I
> don't understand what he meant by "Cloning",
>
> so if this is a new criminal trend I am unaware of, please inform me.  I'll
> address what I consider "Cloning" later.
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>
>
> I'll mention non-profit reasons for completeness; but their risks are
> different, and so is the defense.
>
> The DP can take it for a "Joy Ride".
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> The DP can steal a car for "private enjoyment", meaning the car will become
> his garage queen, hidden from public view.
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> I'll address these risks shortly.  I'd like to hear if I have missed
> something, before I continue.
>
>
>
> Chuck
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