[DeTomaso] DB electric starter bites the dust

[Brian Dudley]

Or you could avoid the Chinese stuff for not much more.
http://www.robbmcperformance.com/products/starter_home.html#comparison
Their customer service was good for me.
They bought out a starter that was smaller and more powerful than the one I
had bought from them.
I returned mine and just paid the difference.


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:

> For those who missed my earlier correction the company I am currently
> researching per Ken Green's reccomendation is
>
> " IMI Performance products Inc. Hi Torque ™" I had  mistakenly referred to
> it as* IMF*
>
> Be forewarned that there are numerous vendors on Ebay and else where that
> are offering for sale products listed as IMI Performance Products "Hi
> Torque™" that are bootleg , counterfeit, fake or what ever you care to call
> them . But they are not the real deal!
> If it looks to good to be true ....IT IS!
>
> Boyd
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Julian,
> > I am forwarding an e-mail that another member sent me off list. Read
> about
> > his experience with D&B Electric starters and I think more importantly
> his
> > experience with their customer service and their advice to him.
> > Boyd
> >
> >
> >  Jerry Knotts
> >  9:45 PM (15 hours ago)
> >     to detomaso
> >  Boyd,
> >
> > I had a problem with one of their starters hanging up and ruining a
> > battery.  They sent another starter and I had it installed.  It lasted
> > less than a week.  I called and ask if they had found the problem with
> > the first starter and they explained it wasn't worth the trouble and
> > they just throw the defective starters away.  I called again and
> > explained that I was displeased with their products and wanted them to
> > pay for a starter R&R after I had purchased a rebuilt at AutoZone.  They
> > said no.  I said I was displeased with their customer service and they
> > said I should shop elsewhere.  They did refund the original price of the
> > starter after I returned the defective one.
> >
> > You would think at my age I would understand you rarely get what you pay
> > for and almost never get more.
> > jerry
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> This is a PMGR starter, one of the benefits over a standard starter
> being
> >> the gear reduction (usually in the order of 4.5:1) reducing current
> draw.
> >>
> >> I'm skeptical that a previously endorsed product (now seemingly quite
> >> widely used in Pantera's) is suddenly so bad, unless DB is sourcing from
> >> a different supplier. You have now eaten 3 starters, so what else has
> >> changed to cause the first (4 years is not a long or acceptable service
> >> life) and subsequent replacements to go out? Yes a higher quality,
> higher
> >> dollar starter may overcome your problem, but will you actually tackle
> the
> >> route cause of the problem? If you don't get to the route cause then any
> >> solution is only temporary.
> >>
> >> Have you checked simple stuff like voltage at the starter, ground
> >> continuity etc.?
> >>
> >> Julian
> >>
> >> > From: JDeRyke at aol.com
> >> > Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 03:13:09 -0400
> >> > To: boyd411 at gmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
> >>
> >> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DB electric starter bites the dust
> >> >
> >> > In a message dated 7/21/13 5:25:42 PM, boyd411 at gmail.com writes:
> >> >
> >> > > Does anyone know of a problem that can be wiping out solenoids
> >> > >
> >> > A solenoid is a simple electromechanical device. Not much can go wrong
> >> with
> >> > it, with so few parts. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, some foreign
> >> made
> >> > solenoids have the main contacts in back insulated with a
> thermoplastic
> >> block.
> >> > Your high compression engine may pull 300 AMPS of current momentarily,
> >> > which creates a LOT of heat. Eventually, the thermoplastic softens
> >> enough for
> >> > the contacts to sink into them, so they no longer make contact
> >> > OEM starters use a thermoset material to insulate & mount solenoid
> >> > contacts. Thermosets do not melt in high heat- they char. I've 'fixed'
> >> a couple of
> >> > cheap foreign starters by using salvaged solenoid contact plates in
> >> > nearly-new solenoid bodies. Pull the solenoid apart and see if there's
> >> any evidence
> >> > the contacts have sunk into the plastic insulator so they no longer
> >> touch.
> >> > Buying another of what already failed, and expecting it to behave
> >> differently
> >> > is one definition of insanity. Good luck- J Deryke
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