[DeTomaso] DB electric starter bites the dust

[Boyd Casey]

Dear Ed,
Well I let my car sit overnight and made sure the Optima battery (which is
only a few months old was fully charged and still all i got when I turned
the ignition key was a few clicks.  I don't know if you know Ken Green but
he is a long time POCA Member and list subscriber and a respected Patent
Attorney . He has a client (and freind) that owns IMI HI Torque Performance
Products. Their products are manufactured in the USA with American parts.
According to Ken the owner is obsessed with quality. I am going to give
them a try for my next starter.I will let you know how it goes.
Boyd


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Ed Pike <erjpike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Boyd,
>
> The reason I asked is that when my car was new to me and pretty much stock
> I had the typical hot start problem. On a warm day run the car for 10
> minutes like up to the gas station shut it down to fill it. Upon restart it
> would just click . If i let it sit for 10 min it started. So I upgraded to
> a hi torque starter ( not a DB Electric ) and fixed the issue. 6 years
> later after a minor engine refresh I had some starting issues. Ended up
> replacing the hi torque starter with another one, same model same brand.
> Seemed to solve my starter issues until the weather got hot (over 85
> degrees) . On a hot day with the engine up to operation temperature if i
> shut it down and try to restart , I have a 50/50 chance of it not starting
> - no click just nothing but you can hear the rest of the electrical
> components that are on straining. If I let it sit for 15 to 30 minutes it
> will start fine. This does not happen with the air temps under 85. I think
> that if the trunk tub  is out it will start. I only had the opportunity to
> try with the tub out once. I was planning on changing to a db electric
> starter based on your earlier posts about having such good luck the
> original figuring the db electric unit is better. Now I think Jack is right
> the heat get s to the solenoid. I also suspect that the newer starters have
> a different solenoid material than the older ones.
>
> It would be interesting to see if it starts now that it is cold. I have no
> clue what direction I am going to take next. I thought I would pass this
> along to see if it helps you at all. Sorry I don't have a solution yet.
>
> Ed...
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ed,
>> The temp was over 90 and although the car wasn't running hot ( according
>> to the thermostat) it was at operating temperature (between 180 F and 200
>> F) . I had been driving the car for around 45 minutes and as I have
>> mentioned I have been having a stall on hard braking situation and a
>> problem with my 65 amp alternator ( which I have planned to remedy with a
>> 95 amp alternator that has not arrived yet,) I was on by block approaching
>> my home ( last stop sign around 100 yards from my home when the car stalled
>> at the stop sign) When I attempted to restart the engine the starter just
>> clicked so I assumed it was an electrical problem. I first tried starting
>> it with a jump box and when that failed I removed the battery and too it
>> home and placed it on the charger. That failed to illicit a cranking
>> starter (still just a click one turn of the key , one click from the
>> solenoid. I got two of my buddies (one guy my age and his 19 year old sun
>> who is a body builder and built like a Gorilla. The three of us pushed the
>> car to a slow trot and I jumped in and put it in 2nd gear and it fired
>> right up.
>>  Boyd
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Ed Pike <erjpike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Boyd,
>>>
>>> Was the air temperature 85 degrees or above and was the car hot?
>>>
>>> Ed...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I can hardly believe it but my newest DB Electric starter ( second
>>>> since
>>>> may) bit the dust after only six days. Luckily I was in front of my
>>>> house.
>>>> The starter just clicks. At first I thought it was a dead battery due
>>>> to my
>>>> alternator issues but after trying a jump box and then charging my new
>>>> optima red top overnight there was no change. I had been happy with DB
>>>> for
>>>> several years but this is to much of a coincidence. I am going to go
>>>> with a
>>>> US made starter. Does anyone know of a problem that can be wiping out
>>>> solenoids
>>>> Like this?
>>>> Boyd
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ed...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Ed...
>
>
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