[DeTomaso] DB electric starter bites the dust

[Ken Green]

Ed,
 
There are a number of high torque starters on the market, and there is one gear reduction starter sold under the HI TORQUE trademark by IMI Performance Products.  Did you have the IMI starter or another brand?
 
Ken


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From: Ed Pike <erjpike at gmail.com>
To: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>; "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com> 
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DB electric starter bites the dust


Boyd,

The reason I asked is that when my car was new to me and pretty much stock
I had the typical hot start problem. On a warm day run the car for 10
minutes like up to the gas station shut it down to fill it. Upon restart it
would just click . If i let it sit for 10 min it started. So I upgraded to
a hi torque starter ( not a DB Electric ) and fixed the issue. 6 years
later after a minor engine refresh I had some starting issues. Ended up
replacing the hi torque starter with another one, same model same brand.
Seemed to solve my starter issues until the weather got hot (over 85
degrees) . On a hot day with the engine up to operation temperature if i
shut it down and try to restart , I have a 50/50 chance of it not starting
- no click just nothing but you can hear the rest of the electrical
components that are on straining. If I let it sit for 15 to 30 minutes it
will start fine. This does not happen with the air temps under 85. I think
that if the trunk tub  is out it will start. I only had the opportunity to
try with the tub out once. I was planning on changing to a db electric
starter based on your earlier posts about having such good luck the
original figuring the db electric unit is better. Now I think Jack is right
the heat get s to the solenoid. I also suspect that the newer starters have
a different solenoid material than the older ones.

It would be interesting to see if it starts now that it is cold. I have no
clue what direction I am going to take next. I thought I would pass this
along to see if it helps you at all. Sorry I don't have a solution yet.

Ed...




On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ed,
> The temp was over 90 and although the car wasn't running hot ( according
> to the thermostat) it was at operating temperature (between 180 F and 200
> F) . I had been driving the car for around 45 minutes and as I have
> mentioned I have been having a stall on hard braking situation and a
> problem with my 65 amp alternator ( which I have planned to remedy with a
> 95 amp alternator that has not arrived yet,) I was on by block approaching
> my home ( last stop sign around 100 yards from my home when the car stalled
> at the stop sign) When I attempted to restart the engine the starter just
> clicked so I assumed it was an electrical problem. I first tried starting
> it with a jump box and when that failed I removed the battery and too it
> home and placed it on the charger. That failed to illicit a cranking
> starter (still just a click one turn of the key , one click from the
> solenoid. I got two of my buddies (one guy my age and his 19 year old sun
> who is a body builder and built like a Gorilla. The three of us pushed the
> car to a slow trot and I jumped in and put it in 2nd gear and it fired
> right up.
> Boyd
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Ed Pike <erjpike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Boyd,
>>
>> Was the air temperature 85 degrees or above and was the car hot?
>>
>> Ed...
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  I can hardly believe it but my newest DB Electric starter ( second since
>>> may) bit the dust after only six days. Luckily I was in front of my
>>> house.
>>> The starter just clicks. At first I thought it was a dead battery due to
>>> my
>>> alternator issues but after trying a jump box and then charging my new
>>> optima red top overnight there was no change. I had been happy with DB
>>> for
>>> several years but this is to much of a coincidence. I am going to go
>>> with a
>>> US made starter. Does anyone know of a problem that can be wiping out
>>> solenoids
>>> Like this?
>>> Boyd
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ed...
>>
>>
>>
>


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Thanks,

Ed...
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