[DeTomaso] Pantera Top Speeds

Fri Nov 23 15:55:35 EST 2012

Doug sleeps with the fishes!
On Nov 23, 2012 3:51 PM, "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net> wrote:

> Hi Charlie,
> Don't know Doug Mann, never heard the name before today.  Where did he
> run? Are the speeds documented - you know other than "the speedo said 225 .
> . . "
>
> Would love to add his name and speeds to my database.
>
> thanks,
>
> DAvid
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "CharlesMcCall" <
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> To: "'David in Durango'" <adin at frontier.net>; "'panteras'" <
> detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 1:06 PM
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Pantera Top Speeds
>
>
>  And Doug Mann?
>>
>> Charles McCall
>> Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe
>> 1985 DeTomaso Pantera #9375
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>> On
>> Behalf Of David in Durango
>> Sent: viernes, 23 de noviembre de 2012 20:10
>> To: panteras
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Top Speeds
>>
>> Hi kids,
>>
>> Shortly after acquiring my Pantera, I caught the "salt fever."  I have
>> followed this aspect quite closely for some years.
>>
>> Jack's summary (quoted below) is quite accurate, and I can only add a few
>> "facts" . . . .
>>
>> 1) I was never quite sure of the powerplant in the Bloomberg car:
>> destroked
>> cleveland or boss 302?  dunno.  Met one of the Bloomberg fellows - nice
>> folks and they have done us proud.
>>
>> 2) The Carapi / Holgersson effort on the salt.  As I remember it,
>> Holgersson
>> finally clocked a 219ish run, but Carapi thought he could do better.
>> Carapi
>> did log a 223 (?) or maybe a 221ish but spun the car at that speed and the
>> effort ended.  It takes some attachments to go for a ride like that!
>>
>> 3) When I had my Kirkham, I found a listing (craigslist?) for a black
>> Pantera-ish car.  It sounded a LOT like Junior's car so I called on it -
>> the
>> listed asking price being close to the value of my Kirkham.  I reached a
>> son-in-law to be and we talked a short while.  I was given a phone number
>> and Junior Wilson himself answered the phone.  We talked for about an
>> hour -
>> the bottom line being Jr. wanted the Kirkham and two wheelbarrows full of
>> $.
>>
>>
>> During the conversation we did discuss some of the urban legends
>> surrounding Jr. and his Silver State adventures.  One of my favourite
>> urban
>> legends was a night run near Las Vegas to see if the car would pull
>> redline
>> in fifth gear.  It did.  Jr. thought the car would now allow a 200+mph
>> average at the Silver State.  When I asked him what the car was geared for
>> and he answered: "F&*$king 260."  No documentation for sure, but an
>> interesting hour with a Pantera legend.
>>
>> 4) DJ's big block car has run 172 or so in the standing mile (documented)
>> but I'm not sure what gears he runs.
>>
>> That's what we know, for now.
>>
>> David in Durango
>> Veni, Vidi, Veloce
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Junior Wilson's elephant-block Panteras went well over 200 many times. He
>> once held the unofficial Silver State Open Road Race 'record' for
>> rear-tire
>> blowouts above 200 mph without injury or significant damage to the car, at
>> six. But sadly, he never made it to Muroc Dry Lake or Bonneville to set
>> official records All his exploits were on public highways, most during
>> sanctioned
>> open road events 'recorded' with radar guns.
>>
>> Jr built at least three cars, and as time went on the machines became
>> progressively more modified. One iteration that crashed and broke his leg
>> and arm
>> (yet another blown rear tire, it's said) looked more like a Group B
>> roadracer than a Pantera in spite of the stock tail lights. In that
>> monster
>> he told
>> me in a shakedown run he'd once touched the tach's redline in 5th on the
>> interstate south of Las Vegas very early one morning. With his modified
>> ZF &
>>
>> tires, that would be 265 mph! With 4" dia open exhausts on a 572" Boss 429
>> at
>> 6000 rpm, it must have sounded terrifying. He said he only passed two
>> cars.... whose drivers probably needed fresh underwear afterwards.
>>
>> After three tries, in 2003 Al Bloomberg came from WA to set an official
>> Bonneville D/GT record with a destroked 299" Boss 302 in a pushbutton
>> Pantera:
>> 209.227 (8800 rpms in 5th gear with a stock ZF!) The only mods to the car
>> were small front tires, tall rears, 300 lbs of lead in the front trunk
>> plus
>> a
>> pronounced fwd rake, 7 degrees of caster and NASCAR roof rails. An air-dam
>> and deck spoiler would have helped but would also force them them to
>> switch
>> out of the stock body class. In 2006, Al ran the D/GT record to 209.958
>> (one-way at 211.196) still with a destroked Boss 302, now running three
>> full
>>
>> miles at 9000 rpms in 5th. Then he retired the Pantera as the World's
>> Fastest
>> Pushbutton.
>>
>> Bjorn Carapi and Kjell Holgersson came from Sweden twice with a radical
>> big-block Chev-powered Pantera (record in A/GT is 250 and change). They
>> got
>> close in 2006 but no record (I don't remember the speed). No DeTomaso to
>> my
>> knowlege has run Bonneville since. It is a MAJOR money-pit. FWIW- J
>> Deryke"
>>
>>
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