[DeTomaso] Pantera Top Speeds

Fri Nov 23 15:50:48 EST 2012

Hi Charlie,
Don't know Doug Mann, never heard the name before today.  Where did he run? 
Are the speeds documented - you know other than "the speedo said 225 . . . "

Would love to add his name and speeds to my database.

thanks,

DAvid

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From: "CharlesMcCall" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "'David in Durango'" <adin at frontier.net>; "'panteras'" 
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Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 1:06 PM
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Pantera Top Speeds

> And Doug Mann?
>
> Charles McCall
> Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe
> 1985 DeTomaso Pantera #9375
> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of David in Durango
> Sent: viernes, 23 de noviembre de 2012 20:10
> To: panteras
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Top Speeds
>
> Hi kids,
>
> Shortly after acquiring my Pantera, I caught the "salt fever."  I have
> followed this aspect quite closely for some years.
>
> Jack's summary (quoted below) is quite accurate, and I can only add a few
> "facts" . . . .
>
> 1) I was never quite sure of the powerplant in the Bloomberg car: 
> destroked
> cleveland or boss 302?  dunno.  Met one of the Bloomberg fellows - nice
> folks and they have done us proud.
>
> 2) The Carapi / Holgersson effort on the salt.  As I remember it, 
> Holgersson
> finally clocked a 219ish run, but Carapi thought he could do better. 
> Carapi
> did log a 223 (?) or maybe a 221ish but spun the car at that speed and the
> effort ended.  It takes some attachments to go for a ride like that!
>
> 3) When I had my Kirkham, I found a listing (craigslist?) for a black
> Pantera-ish car.  It sounded a LOT like Junior's car so I called on it - 
> the
> listed asking price being close to the value of my Kirkham.  I reached a
> son-in-law to be and we talked a short while.  I was given a phone number
> and Junior Wilson himself answered the phone.  We talked for about an 
> hour -
> the bottom line being Jr. wanted the Kirkham and two wheelbarrows full of 
> $.
>
>
> During the conversation we did discuss some of the urban legends
> surrounding Jr. and his Silver State adventures.  One of my favourite 
> urban
> legends was a night run near Las Vegas to see if the car would pull 
> redline
> in fifth gear.  It did.  Jr. thought the car would now allow a 200+mph
> average at the Silver State.  When I asked him what the car was geared for
> and he answered: "F&*$king 260."  No documentation for sure, but an
> interesting hour with a Pantera legend.
>
> 4) DJ's big block car has run 172 or so in the standing mile (documented)
> but I'm not sure what gears he runs.
>
> That's what we know, for now.
>
> David in Durango
> Veni, Vidi, Veloce
>
>
>
>
>
> "Junior Wilson's elephant-block Panteras went well over 200 many times. He
> once held the unofficial Silver State Open Road Race 'record' for 
> rear-tire
> blowouts above 200 mph without injury or significant damage to the car, at
> six. But sadly, he never made it to Muroc Dry Lake or Bonneville to set
> official records All his exploits were on public highways, most during
> sanctioned
> open road events 'recorded' with radar guns.
>
> Jr built at least three cars, and as time went on the machines became
> progressively more modified. One iteration that crashed and broke his leg
> and arm
> (yet another blown rear tire, it's said) looked more like a Group B
> roadracer than a Pantera in spite of the stock tail lights. In that 
> monster
> he told
> me in a shakedown run he'd once touched the tach's redline in 5th on the
> interstate south of Las Vegas very early one morning. With his modified ZF 
> &
>
> tires, that would be 265 mph! With 4" dia open exhausts on a 572" Boss 429
> at
> 6000 rpm, it must have sounded terrifying. He said he only passed two
> cars.... whose drivers probably needed fresh underwear afterwards.
>
> After three tries, in 2003 Al Bloomberg came from WA to set an official
> Bonneville D/GT record with a destroked 299" Boss 302 in a pushbutton
> Pantera:
> 209.227 (8800 rpms in 5th gear with a stock ZF!) The only mods to the car
> were small front tires, tall rears, 300 lbs of lead in the front trunk 
> plus
> a
> pronounced fwd rake, 7 degrees of caster and NASCAR roof rails. An air-dam
> and deck spoiler would have helped but would also force them them to 
> switch
> out of the stock body class. In 2006, Al ran the D/GT record to 209.958
> (one-way at 211.196) still with a destroked Boss 302, now running three 
> full
>
> miles at 9000 rpms in 5th. Then he retired the Pantera as the World's
> Fastest
> Pushbutton.
>
> Bjorn Carapi and Kjell Holgersson came from Sweden twice with a radical
> big-block Chev-powered Pantera (record in A/GT is 250 and change). They 
> got
> close in 2006 but no record (I don't remember the speed). No DeTomaso to 
> my
> knowlege has run Bonneville since. It is a MAJOR money-pit. FWIW- J 
> Deryke"
>
>
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