[DeTomaso] Sorta NPC, goodbye internal combustion engines

Wed Jan 18 21:25:30 EST 2012

Ok, that was not so much fun.

I use Castol 20-50w, (damn, it's still about oil)

What do you use?

Michael
On Jan 18, 2012 9:15 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
wrote:

> See #9 in your list.
>
> As far as typing on my telephone to counter your email point by point, I
> have neither the time nor the desire.
>
> I would have to care what you thought and I simply don't.
>
> If you want something to read, start here.
>
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107204574470700973579402.html
>
> This is not now nor has it ever been about oil, it is about political
> power.
>
> Oil is simply one of the currencies used to wield it in the world economy.
>
> Insofar as the planet, a larger concern should be the unchecked
> reproductive rates of humans. That is a far greater danger than anything
> else, yet the only country with the balls to address it is China.  How
> messed up is that?
>
> The planet has survived complete continental rearrangement from Pangaea
> forward,  meteors, global firestorms, ice ages, flooding, etc.
>
> More correctly the concern is the survival of the species, which has
> inhabited the earth for less than 1/100th of 1% of the time since its
> formation.
>
> The thing that is certain is that our lifestyle will improve greatly and
> then for some reason - eventually we will cease to exist, there are no
> exceptions thus far.
>
> Michael
> On Jan 18, 2012 8:28 PM, "boyd casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Michael,
>> *You* dragged your crib in , not me!
>> To quote your reply (you will notice the words MY Crib and MY Self Esteem
>> )
>> "If you're going to drag *my* self esteem and *crib* into it while
>> insulting me with your peace and love message
>>
>>  Neither did I drag your self esteem  into it, I merely stated a
>> hypothesis
>>  *"In my humble opinion any one
>> > who prefaces or ends a statement supporting their opinion by insulting
>> the
>> > manhood of another is suffering from self esteem issues or is perhaps
>> > worried about there own level of "Machismo"*
>> *To quote a famous anonymous intellectual (probably a Liberal) " If the
>> shoe fits wear it".
>> *
>> *I am definitely not passive, I don't wear panties and when I get
>> aggressive you will definitely notice it.*
>> *
>> *
>> *I also reread my post and failed to notice any message of "Peace and
>> Love" Perhaps it was hidden in a cryptic code?*
>>
>>  "If we are going to engage in a discussion of this subject I propose we
>> keep it intelligent, base it on facts, not opinions and leave the name
>> calling scrawled on the wall next to your crib."
>>
>> Apparently in your case this was to much to ask. I also didn't notice any
>> of your purported "facts"
>> Also I'm afraid you were not paying attention in Psych 101 , or did you
>> just hear the term "Passive Aggressive" while watching TV?
>> The proper definition is as follows;
>> According to the *Diagnostic and Statistical Manual*, the bible of the
>> mental health trade. According to the revised third edition (DSM-III-R,
>> 1987), someone had PAPD if he displayed five or more of the following
>> behaviors: (1) procrastinates, (2) sulks or argues when asked to do
>> something he doesn't want to do, (3) works inefficiently on unwanted tasks,
>> (4) complains without justification of unreasonable demands, (5) "forgets"
>> obligations, (6) believes he is doing a much better job than others think,
>> (7) resents useful suggestions, (8) fails to do his share, or (9)
>> unreasonably criticizes
>> authority figures.
>>
>> So if you can't play nicely and engage in a discussion in an intelligent
>> and adult manner sticking to facts and leaving petty insults at home you
>> will not be invited to be included in the discussion.
>>
>> I don't want to overwhelm you with to much in one sitting but to quote
>> another famous figure . Confucius say  "Empty vessel makes the loudest
>> noise"
>>
>> Please don't take hypothetical opinions *personally  "If it don't apply
>> , let it fly"*
>> *
>> *
>> *With warmest regards ,*
>> *Hugh*
>> *
>> *
>> *P.S. For the record I am a registered independent and a confirmed
>> capitalist. I also happen to think it's important to try to save the planet
>> for my two daughters as well as billions of others in the  future
>> generations to come (if we don't destroy the planet first!)*
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 7:36 PM, larry gilmore <mgilmore11 at mchsi.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Boyd, sotry on the news this evening about the pipeline, even the
>>> REPUBLICAN govenor of Nebraska is opposed to the pipelne. If it leaked
>>> and
>>> contaiminated their water table, the results would be destructive! mike
>>> gilmore-- Original Message -----
>>> From: "boyd casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>> Cc: <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sorta NPC, goodbye internal combustion engines
>>>
>>>
>>> > Dear Pantera brothers,
>>> > I don't want to be branded as "A Panty wearing Liberal" just because I
>>> may
>>> > share a view different from someone else's. In my humble opinion any
>>> one
>>> > who prefaces or ends a statement supporting their opinion by insulting
>>> the
>>> > manhood of another is suffering from self esteem issues or is perhaps
>>> > worried about there own level of "Machismo". My understanding is not
>>> that
>>> > Obama is against the new oil pipeline , but doesn't want to make a
>>> decision
>>> > until all the environmental questions have been answered. We are not
>>> > talking about a "normal" oil pipeline here. This is a pipeline to
>>> transport
>>> > "Black Sand oil" which is one of the most (if not the most" toxic oil
>>> > products known to man. There have already been some environmentally
>>> > disastrous spills in Minnesota, and Nebraska wanted the pipeline
>>> re-routed
>>> > out of their state. So I believe there are valid questions and concerns
>>> > that need to be looked at before we move forward. By the way how many
>>> of
>>> > you know that the US was a net* EXPORTER* of petroleum products in
>>> 2011.
>>> So
>>> > we are selling more oil products then we are importing. If things were
>>> > really that desperate how would that be possible?  If you doubt this
>>> fact
>>> > let me know and I will post the evidence and statistics I have.I don't
>>> > really like discussing political hot potatoes on this forum but I
>>> believe
>>> > this one is very important. If we are going to engage in a discussion
>>> of
>>> > this subject I propose we keep it intelligent, base it on facts, not
>>> > opinions and leave the name calling scrawled on the wall next to your
>>> crib.
>>> > Hugh Boyd Casey
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Julian Kift
>>> <julian_kift at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > Yeah, but it's not just the internal combustion engine..... I like to
>>> > > refer people to an old commercial by Occidental Peroleum entitled
>>> > > "Hydrocarbon Man" which highlights our dependence on hydrocarbon
>>> derived
>>> > > products. One can argue either way; I agree we need alternatives, but
>>> they
>>> > > need to be viable on both cost & environmental fronts.
>>> > >
>>> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D0kWskiRdQ
>>> > >
>>> > > So who is prepared to "do the right thing" and sell their Pantera to
>>> buy
>>> a
>>> > > Prius? I have potential buyers lined up that I have been helping look
>>> for
>>> > > good Pantera's :>), I might even buy another myself. My theory is the
>>> more
>>> > > cars in my garage the more I'm doing for the economy and the
>>> environment.
>>> > > For the economy I pay registration on all the cars, however I can
>>> only
>>> > > drive one at a time so I'm actively reducing the carbon footprint in
>>> > > comparison to if those cars were owned by 9 individuals al driving at
>>> the
>>> > > same time :>)
>>> > >
>>> > > Julian ("Earth first......we'll mine other planets later")
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:11:28 -0800
>>> > > > From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
>>> > > > To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> > > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Sorta NPC, goodbye internal combustion engines
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I assume everyone has seen that Obama killed the oil pipeline from
>>> > > Canada because environmentalists are worried that the method of
>>> production
>>> > > (in Canada) may be bad for the environment (Canada will just sell the
>>> oil
>>> > > to China).  This would also apply to recovering natural gas and oil
>>> in
>>> the
>>> > > US using similar methods.  Basically, a policy that will eventually
>>> end
>>> the
>>> > > use of the internal combustion engine in America when gas is priced
>>> out
>>> of
>>> > > reach and our economy crashes even worse because of energy costs.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I agree that politics should be avoided in the discussion group,
>>> but
>>> if
>>> > > the direction of the country is not corrected soon, all we will be
>>> able
>>> to
>>> > > do is tell our grandchildren what it was like to be able to hop in a
>>> car
>>> > > and go where you want to.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Anyone watch "Atlas Shrugged"?  It frighteningly foresaw this.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Ken
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