[DeTomaso] Sorta NPC, goodbye internal combustion engines

[michael@michaelshortt.com]

See #9 in your list.

As far as typing on my telephone to counter your email point by point, I
have neither the time nor the desire.

I would have to care what you thought and I simply don't.

If you want something to read, start here.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107204574470700973579402.html

This is not now nor has it ever been about oil, it is about political
power.

Oil is simply one of the currencies used to wield it in the world economy.

Insofar as the planet, a larger concern should be the unchecked
reproductive rates of humans. That is a far greater danger than anything
else, yet the only country with the balls to address it is China.  How
messed up is that?

The planet has survived complete continental rearrangement from Pangaea
forward,  meteors, global firestorms, ice ages, flooding, etc.

More correctly the concern is the survival of the species, which has
inhabited the earth for less than 1/100th of 1% of the time since its
formation.

The thing that is certain is that our lifestyle will improve greatly and
then for some reason - eventually we will cease to exist, there are no
exceptions thus far.

Michael
On Jan 18, 2012 8:28 PM, "boyd casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Michael,
> *You* dragged your crib in , not me!
> To quote your reply (you will notice the words MY Crib and MY Self Esteem )
> "If you're going to drag *my* self esteem and *crib* into it while
> insulting me with your peace and love message
>
>  Neither did I drag your self esteem  into it, I merely stated a hypothesis
>  *"In my humble opinion any one
> > who prefaces or ends a statement supporting their opinion by insulting
> the
> > manhood of another is suffering from self esteem issues or is perhaps
> > worried about there own level of "Machismo"*
> *To quote a famous anonymous intellectual (probably a Liberal) " If the
> shoe fits wear it".
> *
> *I am definitely not passive, I don't wear panties and when I get
> aggressive you will definitely notice it.*
> *
> *
> *I also reread my post and failed to notice any message of "Peace and
> Love" Perhaps it was hidden in a cryptic code?*
>
>  "If we are going to engage in a discussion of this subject I propose we
> keep it intelligent, base it on facts, not opinions and leave the name
> calling scrawled on the wall next to your crib."
>
> Apparently in your case this was to much to ask. I also didn't notice any
> of your purported "facts"
> Also I'm afraid you were not paying attention in Psych 101 , or did you
> just hear the term "Passive Aggressive" while watching TV?
> The proper definition is as follows;
> According to the *Diagnostic and Statistical Manual*, the bible of the
> mental health trade. According to the revised third edition (DSM-III-R,
> 1987), someone had PAPD if he displayed five or more of the following
> behaviors: (1) procrastinates, (2) sulks or argues when asked to do
> something he doesn't want to do, (3) works inefficiently on unwanted tasks,
> (4) complains without justification of unreasonable demands, (5) "forgets"
> obligations, (6) believes he is doing a much better job than others think,
> (7) resents useful suggestions, (8) fails to do his share, or (9)
> unreasonably criticizes
> authority figures.
>
> So if you can't play nicely and engage in a discussion in an intelligent
> and adult manner sticking to facts and leaving petty insults at home you
> will not be invited to be included in the discussion.
>
> I don't want to overwhelm you with to much in one sitting but to quote
> another famous figure . Confucius say  "Empty vessel makes the loudest
> noise"
>
> Please don't take hypothetical opinions *personally  "If it don't apply ,
> let it fly"*
> *
> *
> *With warmest regards ,*
> *Hugh*
> *
> *
> *P.S. For the record I am a registered independent and a confirmed
> capitalist. I also happen to think it's important to try to save the planet
> for my two daughters as well as billions of others in the  future
> generations to come (if we don't destroy the planet first!)*
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 7:36 PM, larry gilmore <mgilmore11 at mchsi.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Boyd, sotry on the news this evening about the pipeline, even the
>> REPUBLICAN govenor of Nebraska is opposed to the pipelne. If it leaked and
>> contaiminated their water table, the results would be destructive! mike
>> gilmore-- Original Message -----
>> From: "boyd casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> Cc: <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sorta NPC, goodbye internal combustion engines
>>
>>
>> > Dear Pantera brothers,
>> > I don't want to be branded as "A Panty wearing Liberal" just because I
>> may
>> > share a view different from someone else's. In my humble opinion any one
>> > who prefaces or ends a statement supporting their opinion by insulting
>> the
>> > manhood of another is suffering from self esteem issues or is perhaps
>> > worried about there own level of "Machismo". My understanding is not
>> that
>> > Obama is against the new oil pipeline , but doesn't want to make a
>> decision
>> > until all the environmental questions have been answered. We are not
>> > talking about a "normal" oil pipeline here. This is a pipeline to
>> transport
>> > "Black Sand oil" which is one of the most (if not the most" toxic oil
>> > products known to man. There have already been some environmentally
>> > disastrous spills in Minnesota, and Nebraska wanted the pipeline
>> re-routed
>> > out of their state. So I believe there are valid questions and concerns
>> > that need to be looked at before we move forward. By the way how many of
>> > you know that the US was a net* EXPORTER* of petroleum products in 2011.
>> So
>> > we are selling more oil products then we are importing. If things were
>> > really that desperate how would that be possible?  If you doubt this
>> fact
>> > let me know and I will post the evidence and statistics I have.I don't
>> > really like discussing political hot potatoes on this forum but I
>> believe
>> > this one is very important. If we are going to engage in a discussion of
>> > this subject I propose we keep it intelligent, base it on facts, not
>> > opinions and leave the name calling scrawled on the wall next to your
>> crib.
>> > Hugh Boyd Casey
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Julian Kift
>> <julian_kift at hotmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Yeah, but it's not just the internal combustion engine..... I like to
>> > > refer people to an old commercial by Occidental Peroleum entitled
>> > > "Hydrocarbon Man" which highlights our dependence on hydrocarbon
>> derived
>> > > products. One can argue either way; I agree we need alternatives, but
>> they
>> > > need to be viable on both cost & environmental fronts.
>> > >
>> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D0kWskiRdQ
>> > >
>> > > So who is prepared to "do the right thing" and sell their Pantera to
>> buy
>> a
>> > > Prius? I have potential buyers lined up that I have been helping look
>> for
>> > > good Pantera's :>), I might even buy another myself. My theory is the
>> more
>> > > cars in my garage the more I'm doing for the economy and the
>> environment.
>> > > For the economy I pay registration on all the cars, however I can only
>> > > drive one at a time so I'm actively reducing the carbon footprint in
>> > > comparison to if those cars were owned by 9 individuals al driving at
>> the
>> > > same time :>)
>> > >
>> > > Julian ("Earth first......we'll mine other planets later")
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:11:28 -0800
>> > > > From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
>> > > > To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> > > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Sorta NPC, goodbye internal combustion engines
>> > > >
>> > > > I assume everyone has seen that Obama killed the oil pipeline from
>> > > Canada because environmentalists are worried that the method of
>> production
>> > > (in Canada) may be bad for the environment (Canada will just sell the
>> oil
>> > > to China).  This would also apply to recovering natural gas and oil in
>> the
>> > > US using similar methods.  Basically, a policy that will eventually
>> end
>> the
>> > > use of the internal combustion engine in America when gas is priced
>> out
>> of
>> > > reach and our economy crashes even worse because of energy costs.
>> > > >
>> > > > I agree that politics should be avoided in the discussion group, but
>> if
>> > > the direction of the country is not corrected soon, all we will be
>> able
>> to
>> > > do is tell our grandchildren what it was like to be able to hop in a
>> car
>> > > and go where you want to.
>> > > >
>> > > > Anyone watch "Atlas Shrugged"?  It frighteningly foresaw this.
>> > > >
>> > > > Ken
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