[DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps

Mon Jan 16 14:16:57 EST 2012

Asa Jay
I don't know of a pump controller with all of those features.
We have some installs of our powerONE programmable controller which does 
cover that feature set.
The upside is it's an 8-point controller and the pump/fan control 
features take only 4 points
(ECT sensing, variable-speed pump, variable-speed fan and ignition 
sensing for the cool-out cycle)
  so you can do whatever with the rest of them.
When I get aroundtoit I'm going to run the fan & heater motors with it
to get variable speed for them plus intermittent for the wipers.
The downside is that being a general purpose controller,
it costs as much as the pump.
If that doesn't discourage you, let me know and I'll send you some info 
offline.

dave

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On 15/01/2012 10:25 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Does anyone -make- such a controller?
>
> Asa Jay
> <becoming more technically challenged the older I get>
>
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> &   Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
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> On 1/15/2012 9:54 PM, Dave Londry wrote:
>> The 55 gpm is the free-flow rating.
>> Meziere seems to be happy with the 35 gpm up to 650 hp although we don't
>> know at what duty cycle.
>> I certainly prefer the 55 gpm pump for a built Cleveland.
>> If you use a variable speed motor control you can
>> - Toss the thermostat and lose all of that particular restriction -
>> which lets you get closer to the rated flow.
>> - Use pump speed for temperature control; both set-point and warmup
>> characteristic.
>> - Bring the coolant flow up to max before bringing the fans in,
>>     then variable speed control the fans too.
>> - let the controller run a cool-out cycle after shutdown
>> The HP gain claims vary a lot, but if you are going to run high rpms
>>      you don't have to find the underdrive pulley or the anti-cavitation
>> impeller
>>      and if you compare it to the power to drive a cavitating pump.
>> The Des Hamill Cleveland-book suggests there is 12 HP
>>     going into the stock pump at 7000 rpm.
>>
>> dave
>>
>>
>> On 15/01/2012 7:29 PM, Bill Moore wrote:
>>> I agree, what's the upside to an electrical W/P, if it provides the required coolant flow ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards:
>>> Bill Moore
>>> Incendium Supply Ltd
>>> Suite 416, 305-4625 Varsity Dr NW
>>> Calgary, Alberta
>>> T3A 0Z9
>>>
>>> 403 202 0055
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com"<michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 22:26:25
>>> To:<michael at michaelshortt.com>
>>> Reply-To: michael at michaelshortt.com
>>> Cc: Ken Green<kenn_green at yahoo.com>; detomaso at realbig.com<detomaso at realbig.com>; Asa Jay Laughton<asajay at asajay.com>;<Bill at incendium.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps
>>>
>>> I personally wouldn't use one, I've had far more electrical malfunctions
>>> (battery, alternator, etc) than I have had waterpump failures or belts
>>> breaking.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>> On Jan 15, 2012 10:23 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com"<
>>> michaelsavga at gmail.com>    wrote:
>>>
>>>> Right you are, I stand corrected.
>>>>
>>>> MICHAEL
>>>> On Jan 15, 2012 10:21 PM, "Bill Moore"<Bill at incendium.com>    wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Michael, Ken did say Parallel not series. However the size of coolant
>>>>> lines, diameter and length also enter into the equation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards:
>>>>> Bill Moore
>>>>> Incendium Supply Ltd
>>>>> Suite 416, 305-4625 Varsity Dr NW
>>>>> Calgary, Alberta
>>>>> T3A 0Z9
>>>>>
>>>>> 403 202 0055
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From:   "michael at michaelshortt.com"<michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sender: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>>>>> Date:   Sun, 15 Jan 2012 22:14:15
>>>>> To: Ken Green<kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>> Cc: Asa Jay Laughton<asajay at asajay.com>; detomaso at realbig.com<
>>>>> detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not an engineer nor do I have any training in fluid dynamics, but I
>>>>> don't see how running two in a series will move any additional coolant,
>>>>> maybe in parallel.  Somebody educate me
>>>>>
>>>>> MICHAEL
>>>>> On Jan 15, 2012 10:10 PM, "Ken Green"<kenn_green at yahoo.com>    wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Asa,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        I have  Meziere WP311B which is rated at 55 GPM with no load.  I
>>>>> don't
>>>>>> think they make a Cleveland specific pump, but they make a back plate PN
>>>>>> WP123B.  The original recirculation passage is covered, so you need to
>>>>> do
>>>>>> something different for warm up.  Maybe a PWM controller (talk to Dave
>>>>>> Londry about that).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        The folks at Meziere told me that the pump actually pumps about 33
>>>>> GPM
>>>>>> in a car, and that's about what a really good mechanical pump does at
>>>>> 3,500
>>>>>> RPM.  So it's better than a good mechanical pump below 3,500, and pumps
>>>>>> less above 3,500, so it's not the hot setup if you want to run an open
>>>>> road
>>>>>> race at 5,000 RPM, but you can run two remote pumps in parallel and move
>>>>>> plenty of coolant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        They have a great reputation and should be very good for anything
>>>>> less
>>>>>> than sustained high RPM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Asa Jay Laughton<asajay at asajay.com>
>>>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 3:29 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone on this list installed a remote Meziere electric water pump with
>>>>>> their Ford 351C?
>>>>>> http://www.meziere.com
>>>>>> If so, what parts, part numbers did you use and how did you go about it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>>>> &     Shelley Marie
>>>>>> Spokane, WA
>>>>>> ******************************
>>>>>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>>>>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
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