[DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines

Fri Apr 20 11:50:02 EDT 2012

Ah, Will, again you have proven that you will be on my short list of folks to be stranded with me on a desert isle (can you cook), of course this is after a couple of "Brookes" names, and a couple of blondes on Fox news!
    -------If you follow the speculation on the C7 Corvette's engine - talking about downsizing CC's, and upsizing revs - what will it do to the vette buyers.
     ------The beauty of the engine:  I'm sure that you've seen at the Niftee-Fiftees car show in Houston, the Metropolitan with the gigantic blower-engine on it.  Neat little car.  Beautiful engine.  --But not together!!!!
     -----I've got a Keith Craft crate engine in mine.  Looks really good - not great - but really good.  And, sounds like an engine in a Pantera should sound.  Love it!     ----Bill Lewis

> From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
> To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at realbig.com; thomas at hax.se
> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:10:23 -0500
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines
> 
> We talk about the beauty of the Pantera.  The engine is part of the car.  It
> may as well look the part.
> 
>  
> 
> I bought a 98 Mustang Cobra with the 32v 4.6.  It was pretty cool having an
> engine that would rev to the moon.  It was smooth too.  I sold it because it
> had no soul.  It felt like a Toyota.  A muscle car needs to feel like it has
> muscle.
> 
>  
> 
> I thought I wanted a 4.6 DOHC in a Pantera, but I’ve been afraid of having
> another smooth running, Toyota-esque engine.  Plus, I think the rear of the
> engine is ugly.  If I did one, I’d have to do something with the valve
> covers to show the plugs-through-covers/hemi look.  I’d also have to clean
> up the sensors and such near the rear of the valley.
> 
>  
> 
> I’m probably being too hard on the looks of a 4.6.  They don’t look that
> bad.  I haven’t seen the rear of a Coyote 5.0, but it looks like it has more
> of a packaged EFI look.
> 
>  
> 
> Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder, so what I say is ugly, someone else
> might say is beauty.  I just don’t like a big complicated looking EFI
> engine.  I like simplicity + muscle.  There isn’t much that says that like a
> Chrysler Hemi.  I like the look of the 429 Boss more, but it’s getting to
> that too-large-for-me size.
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: cengles at cox.net [mailto:cengles at cox.net] 
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:57 AM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com; Will Kooiman; 'Thomas Tornblom'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines
> 
>  
> 
> Dear Will, 
> 
> Uh-oh. Now you've done it. You've steered the conversation into that
> subjective morass of *engine aesthetics*!! Hunker down. The opinions will
> fly. 
> 
> Very (tongue in cheek) concerned, Chuck Engles 
> 
> 
> ---- Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > But it is ugly.
> >
> > I would consider a Boss 302/347, a 392 Hemi or a Boss 429/514.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Thomas Tornblom
> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:35 AM
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...
> >
> > Personally I would look hard at the Coyote Boss 302 crate engine.
> >
> > With a redline of 7500, it would solve the low gearing of my GT5 also,
> > and 444 bhp out of a modern fuel injected production engine would be
> > good enough for me. It also seems like it would fit below the screen.
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> > 2012-04-20 06:14, ParaPantera at aol.com skrev:
> > > Personally, I think if you have the resources you should pony up to one
> > of
> > > those "New" MME Cleveland blocks, the list of reasons for a replacement
> > > block is getting long.
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 4/19/2012 11:47:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes:
> > >
> > > my engine.
> > >
> > > A 4 bolt replacement cap from Will fit well and the block was line bored
> > > again.
> > > Everything cleaned up except the block web on both sides where the cap
> > > mates with the block.
> > > Driver's side is a little over .001".
> > > Passenger side is .004".
> > > 75% of the bearing surface is good... those areas aren't.
> > >
> > > My choices:
> > >
> > > 1) Run it like it is... (maybe in Granny's old Ford...)
> > >
> > > 2) Line bore it some more, but it'd have to go a long way vertically to
> > > make up .004 laterally... I don't think this is really an option.
> > >
> > > 3) Bore that main more and machine a spacer. (I was not aware of this,
> > but
> > > apparently drag racers do this all the time? Comments?)
> > >
> > > 4) Use my other block and start over. (Sigh...)
> > >
> > > I should know about the crankshaft condition Friday or Monday. Getting
> > it
> > > crack tested and checked.
> > >
> > > New question:
> > > I had thought about this before, but dismissed it.
> > > Asked two other people and they said no way.
> > >
> > > But. I'll ask again. How about side loading with lots of belts too tight
> > on
> > > one side?
> > >
> > > I don't have this scenario, but was wondering. Can you trash a main
> > bearing
> > > due to accessory belt load?
> > >
> > > FWIW,
> > > Kirby
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