[DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines

Ken Green kenn_green at yahoo.com
Fri Apr 20 11:39:14 EDT 2012


Will,
 
    I understand where you are coming from, but have a little different twist.  I don't like the new cars with a plastic cover over the plug wires etc.  I'd rather see the plug wires and socket head fasteners holding things together.  
 
Ken
From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at realbig.com; 'Thomas Tornblom' <thomas at hax.se> 
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines

We talk about the beauty of the Pantera.  The engine is part of the car.  It
may as well look the part.



I bought a 98 Mustang Cobra with the 32v 4.6.  It was pretty cool having an
engine that would rev to the moon.  It was smooth too.  I sold it because it
had no soul.  It felt like a Toyota.  A muscle car needs to feel like it has
muscle.



I thought I wanted a 4.6 DOHC in a Pantera, but I’ve been afraid of having
another smooth running, Toyota-esque engine.  Plus, I think the rear of the
engine is ugly.  If I did one, I’d have to do something with the valve
covers to show the plugs-through-covers/hemi look.  I’d also have to clean
up the sensors and such near the rear of the valley.



I’m probably being too hard on the looks of a 4.6.  They don’t look that
bad.  I haven’t seen the rear of a Coyote 5.0, but it looks like it has more
of a packaged EFI look.



Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder, so what I say is ugly, someone else
might say is beauty.  I just don’t like a big complicated looking EFI
engine.  I like simplicity + muscle.  There isn’t much that says that like a
Chrysler Hemi.  I like the look of the 429 Boss more, but it’s getting to
that too-large-for-me size.



  _____  

From: cengles at cox.net [mailto:cengles at cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:57 AM
To: detomaso at realbig.com; Will Kooiman; 'Thomas Tornblom'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines



Dear Will, 

Uh-oh. Now you've done it. You've steered the conversation into that
subjective morass of *engine aesthetics*!! Hunker down. The opinions will
fly. 

Very (tongue in cheek) concerned, Chuck Engles 


---- Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> But it is ugly.
>
> I would consider a Boss 302/347, a 392 Hemi or a Boss 429/514.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
On
> Behalf Of Thomas Tornblom
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:35 AM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...
>
> Personally I would look hard at the Coyote Boss 302 crate engine.
>
> With a redline of 7500, it would solve the low gearing of my GT5 also,
> and 444 bhp out of a modern fuel injected production engine would be
> good enough for me. It also seems like it would fit below the screen.
>
> Thomas
>
> 2012-04-20 06:14, ParaPantera at aol.com skrev:
> > Personally, I think if you have the resources you should pony up to one
> of
> > those "New" MME Cleveland blocks, the list of reasons for a replacement
> > block is getting long.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 4/19/2012 11:47:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes:
> >
> > my engine.
> >
> > A 4 bolt replacement cap from Will fit well and the block was line bored
> > again.
> > Everything cleaned up except the block web on both sides where the cap
> > mates with the block.
> > Driver's side is a little over .001".
> > Passenger side is .004".
> > 75% of the bearing surface is good... those areas aren't.
> >
> > My choices:
> >
> > 1) Run it like it is... (maybe in Granny's old Ford...)
> >
> > 2) Line bore it some more, but it'd have to go a long way vertically to
> > make up .004 laterally... I don't think this is really an option.
> >
> > 3) Bore that main more and machine a spacer. (I was not aware of this,
> but
> > apparently drag racers do this all the time? Comments?)
> >
> > 4) Use my other block and start over. (Sigh...)
> >
> > I should know about the crankshaft condition Friday or Monday. Getting
> it
> > crack tested and checked.
> >
> > New question:
> > I had thought about this before, but dismissed it.
> > Asked two other people and they said no way.
> >
> > But. I'll ask again. How about side loading with lots of belts too tight
> on
> > one side?
> >
> > I don't have this scenario, but was wondering. Can you trash a main
> bearing
> > due to accessory belt load?
> >
> > FWIW,
> > Kirby
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