[DeTomaso] final verduct on self-tuning fuel injection

Tue Oct 4 11:55:00 EDT 2011

Roland,

I have been running IR EFI on my Pantera since 2000.
Cast iron Cleveland.
What do you consider '100% functional'?

I drove it work everyday for 2 years. Ran it on the track.

Yes, a couple of months ago the old Haltech F9a let all its smoke out, but I
have it running again with a TEC GT.
Tuning in progress.

FWIW,
Kirby

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:41, Roland Jaeckel <pantera874 at t-online.de> wrote:

> That's why i have vintage cars. They still use technology, i can fix
> myself..
> I don't think, that there is any Pantera with a cleveland out there with a
> 100% functional fuel injection.
> 100% means, it has to work like a proper tuned new carb.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 4:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] final verduct on self-tuning fuel injection
>
>
> >
> > CARB MAN can now go nationwide!    HA  HA  HA  HAAAAAA!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:13:07 -0400
> >> From: cengles at cox.net
> >> To: justingreisberg at hotmail.com
> >> CC: detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] final verduct on self-tuning fuel injection
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Justin,
> >>
> >> Thanks for sharing your tale of EFI woe. It sounds like the nightmare I
> >> have feared I would suffer if I took the plunge. I know that these "bolt
> >> on" EFI systems are out there. I know that they supposedly work. I know
> >> that techno savvy owners have functioning systems that are more
> >> complicated than the bolt on versions.
> >>
> >> I also know that the old Holley Pro-jection system didn't work well. I
> >> know of a Pantera owner in the northwest that pursued EFI on his 351C
> >> with frustrating results I know of a Pantera owner in OKC with EFI and
> >> lots of driveability problems. These problems can also be found on
> carbs,
> >> I know, but the PITA factor and the cost of screwing around with EFI
> >> versus carbs persuades me to stick with carbs for the near and
> >> intermediate future.
> >>
> >> Yeah. I am a Luddite in this regard.
> >>
> >> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> >>
> >>
> >> ---- Justin Greisberg <justingreisberg at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Everyone might be sick by now of hearing my ongoing troubles with EFI,
> >> > but I am hoping I can help save someone else the pain. $2500, 2 years
> >> > of tuning, well over 100 miles of driving a car in circles around the
> >> > block. Have come to a point where problem can not be fixed by me. I
> >> > have professional products retrotek powerjection 1 system. Older
> system
> >> > (2 years) but the techs at the company can not offer me any help. Can
> >> > not fix driveability issues (goes way lean under mild acceleration, so
> >> > accelerating from a stop light leads to severe bogging and just about
> >> > stalling in the middle of an intersection.) I have asked for a refund
> >> > or a free upgrade to their new system, powerjection 3, so that maybe
> >> > they can provide better tech support (which would be a downgrade since
> >> > new system is cheaper than old system), but they stopped returning my
> >> > calls.
> >> >
> >> > I have a 351 cleveland with CHI heads, roller cam, CHI intake. makes
> >> > 8-12 inches vacuum at idle, which makes it harder for fuel injection
> >> > system to work.
> >> >
> >> > I now am throwing away the entire system and starting over with a
> carb.
> >> > Have to redo entire fuel system to non-EFI pump. close to $1000 to
> >> > spend on carb and fuel pump and plumbing now. Totally disgusted. I am
> >> > not made of money, and my hobby has become a source of endless stress.
> >> > The EFI was supposed to make cold starting easier, but never worked
> >> > properly. Was supposed to just start right up when you turn the key.
> >> > well, sometimes it does. cold idling was supposed to be better than an
> >> > electric choke. Doesn't do it, though. Was supposed to make driving
> >> > better, but just fouled multiple spark plugs and totally carbon fouled
> >> > the combustion chambers of my new heads and engine. Was supposed to be
> >> > easily tuneable by computer, but not so easy, even for a knowledgeable
> >> > person like me. If anyone has questions about these issues, feel free
> >> > to ask me, since I understand these issues well. It is just that this
> >> > system doesn't work as designed.
> >> >
> >> > I know others have found some success with these systems, but I
> >> > strongly recommend staying away. Others have said I should just find a
> >> > tuner - but I don't know how much more time I can give this. I have a
> >> > job, and taking a day off from work to go to some tuner (flatbed the
> >> > car who knows where!) becomes an expensive option for a system that is
> >> > clearly advertised as just put it on and drive! And if the techs at
> the
> >> > company can't fix it, then why would anyone else be able to???
> >> >
> >> > Anyone want to buy a slightly used EFI system? for sale, cheap? NO
> >> > REFUNDS justin
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