[DeTomaso] Subject: Why is it hard to start cars that have been

Sun Jan 16 18:12:34 EST 2011

Pull the plugs and see if it is fouling from oil or running too rich.

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Rich <hoppe1 at cox.net> wrote:

> One other possiblity is if the fuel line empties back into the tank.
> The fuel pump could be allowing the fuel to siphon back if the check valves
> in the pump let it or the bango fitting lets air enter and allow the line
> in
> the tank to empty back to the tank.
> If the bango fitting does not seal completely the fuel pump has to overcome
> the suction loss at start up.  After it starts up it continues to allow
> some
> air but the fuel pump can overcome it.
> 25 years ago I had a hard starting problem and after I replaced the fuel
> line and worked on the bango fitting it started right up.  This was the
> only
> thing I could figure was the reason.
> Rich
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Adkinson
> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 11:23 AM
> To: 'Art Stephens' ; 'Charles McCall' ; 'Forest Goodhart' ;
> detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Subject: Why is it hard to start cars that have
> been
>
> A Cessna 207 (powered by a Continental IO-520 6 cylinder opposed recip) I
> use to fly back in the 70's was prone to plug frosting. When the engine was
> cold soaked it would frost the plugs over after a failed start attempt. If
> you didn't successfully start it on the first attempt, the residual water
> vapor from a few pops would frost the pugs. The only way to start it after
> that was to use a Herman Nelson (heater) to pre-heat the engine. If the
> airport did not have a Herman Nelson we would run the engine periodically
> to
> keep it from becoming cold soaked. In the warmer months the temp was not
> low
> enough to frost the plugs and it would start like a champ.
>
> Those Continentals were good engines but took some care and some PT (pilot
> technique) to keep them going.
>
> I've never seen the same phenomena in a V-8 but I don't see why it couldn't
> happen if seriously cold soaked.
>
> I have seen water vapor inside of a 289 distributor cap (after a water hose
> failure) keep it from starting. Spraying it with a drying agent cured that
> though.
>
> Chuck Adkinson
> www.pantera.ws
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Art Stephens
> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 12:40 PM
> To: Charles McCall; 'Forest Goodhart'; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Subject: Why is it hard to start cars that have
> been
>
> I don't see how condensation could stick around on a spark plug for more
> than one exhaust stroke? That is a LOT of air blowing past that spark plug!
> Think of the sound the air makes coming out of a spark plug hole when you
> crank an engine.
>
> Art (no engine expert)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles McCall" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> To: "'Forest Goodhart'" <forestg at att.net>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Subject: Why is it hard to start cars that have
> been
>
>
> > Maybe. How long would it take to burn off?
> >
> > Charles McCall
> > 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
> > "Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe"
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> >
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> En
> > nombre de Forest Goodhart
> > Enviado el: viernes, 14 de enero de 2011 20:03
> > Para: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] Subject: Why is it hard to start cars that have
> > been
> >
> > Could it be that there is condensation formed on some of the plugs that
> > needs to
> > have some heat built to dry them off enough to fire?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> > To: Mike <bluebugman2 at sbcglobal.net>; detomaso at realbig.com
> > Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 10:41:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Subject: Why is it hard to start cars that have
> > been
> >
> > Mike -
> > Thanks for the reply. I'm still not sure I'm convinced as to the reason
> my
> > car takes 3-4 minutes to fire on all cylinders when it hasn't run for 4
> > months, but in any case in this particular instance my car has solid
> > lifters. So it could explain other peoples' problems but not mine...
> >
> > I do agree with others in that my experience has been that the car never
> > runs better than when it is being used daily. I took the Pantera to Italy
> > about 7-8 years ago for a project (my company agreed to pay gas and tolls
> > instead of an airline ticket - I think they lost badly!!) and used it as
> a
> > daily driver for a month. I don't think that the engine has ever been so
> > happy or has ever started so readily. So the secret is indeed to use
> them!
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Charles McCall
> > 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
> > "Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe"
> > http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> En
> > nombre de Mike
> > Enviado el: viernes, 14 de enero de 2011 17:34
> > Para: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Asunto: [DeTomaso] Subject: Why is it hard to start cars that have been
> >
> >
> > As everyone else stated the gasoline dissipates and probably what no one
> > else has mentioned why the engine's seems to run on a few cylinder's,
> then
>
> > a
> > few more until finally its running on all 8 cylinders is- its takes
> awhile
> > for the hydraulic lifters to build up pressure so it will open the valves
> > properly ( most engines use hydraulics), my 2 cts
> >
> > thanks Mike V #7042 GTS
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