[DeTomaso] Borla mufflers
boyd casey
boyd411 at gmail.com
Fri Apr 15 17:01:05 EDT 2011
Believe it or not this did start out with Pantera content. I asked if anyone
had ever had Borla mufflers or resonators on their Pantera ( or heard a
Pantera with Borla's.) As far as Social Security ( and many other government
programs) the problem occurs when someone comes up with a good idea or a
program that makes sense everything is fine and dandy until some other
politician (or group of politicians) gets the idea to raid the coffers of
the program ( Like social security ) which was designed as a program to
provide support for senior citizens after working for 47 years and paying in
the entire time and then receiving a small income starting at age 65 ( or a
smaller amount if one retires at 62). The problem started when the Federal
Government started using Social Security funds as a form of Federal welfare
paying benefits to people who were disabled ( either physically or mentally
) who have never worked or paid a single cent into Social Security . Those
receiving benefits include people who are not even US citizens ( and their
dependents. ) They have even used Social Security funds to provide funds to
immigrants granted political asylum when the government decides that
because of the immigrants country of origin (like the former Soviet Union)
they don't only provide them with a substantial stipend to get "established"
in the USA they give them more money then they give to US citizens that
have worked and paid in for their entire adult life! This is information
that I have not documented but I believe it to be true.The problems in his
country are not the result of senior citizens receiving Social Security and
Medicare ( having worked and paid into the program for their entire working
life. The problems are caused by diverting Social Security funds, Medicare
fraud, compnies like GE making $14 billion in profits in 2010 and paying $0
in income taxes ( their are numerous companies with profits in the billions
of dollars in 2010 who paid $0 taxes).The problems facing he average
working class American are compounded by the fact that Congressmen (and
women) receive full health benefits FOR LIFE , after serving only one term
in office. They are totally out of touch with the difficulties facing
working class Americans. They should be forced to rely on the same health
care system that the public relys on (like medicare). They would be alot
more compassionate and empathetic to the plight of our senior citizens if
they weren't living in an Ivory tower. If anyone has a "sense of entitlement
" it is the politicians not the members of the working class. (I don't
think "middle class" is a term with much validity in 2011.)
Boyd
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Roland Jaeckel <pantera874 at t-online.de>wrote:
> No, the idea is a growing community. Many shoulders can carry others. Like
> a pyramide.
> That was the idea and it worked basicly for more than 100 years in Europe.
>
>
> From: Curt Hall
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:23 PM
> To: Ken Green ; detomaso at realbig.com ; Larry Finch ; Roland Jaeckel
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Borla mufflers
>
>
> So the idea is...have 14 kids so the can all work and pay for Mom and
> Dad? The Mom and Dad that only has 1 kid is screwed?
>
> --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Roland Jaeckel <pantera874 at t-online.de> wrote:
>
>
> From: Roland Jaeckel <pantera874 at t-online.de>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Borla mufflers
> To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, detomaso at realbig.com,
> "Larry Finch" <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 11:56 AM
>
>
> Here in Germany it is called the "generation contract".
> If you think, you have to get , what you paid in, you go wrong.
> The money, you pay in is for the genaration before you (your
> parents).
> Your kids will have to pay for you.
> So, if you have only one kid, to pay in, how this contract can work?
> That is the math on a social system.
> Anything else is just a cheap insurance and will bring you nothing.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:30 PM
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>; "Larry Finch" <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Borla mufflers
>
> > Facts:
> >
> > Lyndon Johnson stole the social security $s to fund the Great
> Society.
> >
> > Jimmy Carter gave Social Security benefits to people who never
> paid into
> > it.
> >
> > Based on a 5% interest rate, the money taken (effectively at gun
> point)
> > from me by the federal government would be about a million $s when
> I'm 67.
> > I'll be lucky to get half of that back. I assume most of us are
> in the
> > same situation (just do the math).
> >
> > I don't see any sane argument for letting the crooks and idiots
> who have
> > pissed away all this money remain in control of social security.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Borla mufflers
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 11:17 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm failing to find the Pantera content in the recent posts to
> this
> > thread.
> >
> > But since I didn't start it...
> >
> > Something you pay for all your life - like SS and Medicare, is not
> > an"entitlement"
> >
> > It is an earned, and paid for, benefit.
> >
> > But all the Republicans and their Wall Street buddies are doing
> their best
> > to reshape
> > the public's perception of these earned benefits as being some
> evil,
> > Commie/Socialist
> > 'entitlement' scheme and they are doing this for one reason and
> one reason
> > only -
> >
> > They want to remove government management of these programs and
> shift them
> > into
> > the private sector. There is a LOT of potential money to make
> mamnaging
> > those programs,
> > and as we all should know by now, there can never be too much
> money in
> > their already
> > bulging-at-the-seams bonus/performance/stock option/CEO pockets.
> >
> > So the rich can get richer, and the rest of us....well, you know
> the drill
> > by now.
> >
> > But the spin continues, the buzzword management machine is in full
> swing,
> > and the
> > poor working stiffs of this country continue to be duped into
> screaming
> > "TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY" at any mention of increased taxes, when in
> reality
> > not many
> > of them are even CLOSE to the upper ranges for which tax increases
> are
> > being proposed.
> >
> > I can't think of any other country where the working poor are so
> involved
> > and vocal in thinking their
> > financial health will somehow be improved by helping the already
> > filthy-rich add more to their portfolios.
> >
> > My 2¢ comment on - "Borla mufflers"
> >
> > Larry - remember, I didn't start this one.... ;-)
> >
> >
> >
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