[DeTomaso] Borla mufflers

Fri Apr 15 14:17:12 EDT 2011

When I managed a dual point dealership ( Honda and BMW) Honda had a finance
program for recent college grads. They would finance anyone who was a recent
college grad (with a B.A. or B.S.) They had to have graduated within the
past 18 months or pending graduation within 6 months. They didn't need to be
employed yet  the only real deal killer was if they already had bad credit.
No credit history at all was OK.   The program had very specific limitations
as far as amount financed ,monthly payment and L.T.V. ( loan to value ratio)
and the car had to be a Honda Civic. You wouldn't believe the number of
customers that flipped out when they found out the couldn't buy a BMW 5
series or at least a 3 series ( for the most part they weren't even
interested in a Honda Accord!) They had such a sense of entitlement and self
importance that they would often say things like"you expect ME to be seen
driving a Honda Civic?!"  Instead of being thankful for an opportunity to
get a start in the world of credit and getting a good, economical and safe
car ,they were pissed off and insulted! I could never get over it. This was
in Newport News VA. and many of the grads were from Hampton University and
had degrees in African American studies. I am not trying to make a racist
comment or draw improper conclusions but this was not a field of study or
degree known for the prospect of a huge salary and Honda finance was even
allowing people that were pending graduation and some who had already
graduated they didn't even have pending employment. Honda just figured that
someone who had managed to do the work to get a degree and didn't have bad
credit was a "good " credit risk. I had the opportunity to come into contact
with a substantial number of young adults with 4 year degrees that could
barely fill out a credit application. Many of them were barely literate.
But they almost all had a well developed sense of "self worth" and
entitlement. This was in the mid 1990's, I feel fairly confident that the
situation has only gotten worse with today's grads and the prospect of the
youth who are only High School grads  ( or less) is really scary) One of my
close friends teaches at a local community college and he tells me that many
of his students can't operate a calculator ( not a scientific calculator a
simple addition , subtraction, etc.) Their understanding of English grammar
is the language used in texting (like "lol" for "Laugh out loud")
unfortunately I don't know more of it to provide examples. This is what we
are faced with and this is the national work force that has to compete with
the youth of India , China, etc. I am not implying that the youth of America
are inferior  it's just that they are going to be faced with competing with
people that have had to claw their way to the top just to get into a school
and they have the kind of work ethic that made this country great.
Boyd

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> "tax the rich"..."entitled"...how do you suppose that came about?
>
> --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Borla mufflers
> To: michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: "Pantera List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 6:53 AM
>
>
> This country use to be all about equal opportunity and the rule of law, now
> it's becoming  "tax the rich".  It should be no surprise the people feel
> "entitled" to the good life, instead of
> seeing hard work as the way to build a good future.
>
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 4/14/11, michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Borla mufflers
> To: michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: "Pantera List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 7:16 PM
>
>
> nothing against the kids, just pitiful that their parents were such bad
> examples with zero work ethics
> Clearly it also speaks to my inability to hire the right people, i wanted
> those who would help build a bigger and better business, Gen X in my
> experience is more likely to suck a business dry and move on to the next
> one.
>
> sad.
>
> Michael
> On Apr 14, 2011 9:53 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com" <
> michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > your story is all too common, i made a decision 6 years ago to fire
> > everybody (8 people) and hire free lancers as needed - When needed.
> > I was tired of being the last one to get paid, watching people drink
> coffee
> > and not adding to the bottom line.
> >
> > Since then, i bought the Pantera, 2 motorcycles, a Magnum and taken
> several
> > nice trips on money i would have wasted worrying about ungrateful
> bastard's
> > kids whom I can assure you never lost any sleep thinking about me.
> >
> > Michael
> > On Apr 14, 2011 8:57 PM, "GW" <gow2 at rc-tech.net> wrote:
> >> Talking to a guy in the FBO business today (takes care of general
> >> aviation and corporate airplanes that come it). They are having a work
> >> force problem. As an example,
> >>
> >> An airplane taxi's in to the ramp, no one flags it in to park. He goes
> >> into the line shack to find out why the line guy did not meet the
> >> airplane. The line man, in his 30's, sitting at the desk playing a
> >> portable N-Tendo game. The owner told the guy there is an airplane on
> >> the ramp. The guy said "Roger, I'll get out there when I finish this
> >> game". He was told, no need, just pick up your stuff and go home. When
> >> he hires replacements, they are seldom better!
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >> Kirby Schrader wrote:
> >>> I find it worse than that... the 'employees' in the store can't do
> > anything
> >>> without the 'year, make and model', but then don't want to look for
> > anything
> >>> 'different' beyond that. That would mean they'd have to 'work' a
> little.
> >>>
> >>> I needed an upper radiator hose for my Lightning.
> >>> I give him the year, make and model.
> >>> 2001 Ford Lightning with a supercharged 5.4.
> >>> 'Oh, that's just an F150'
> >>> No, it's not. It's a Lightning. It's different.
> >>> 'No, those F150's are all the same!'
> >>> No, it's different. A lot different.
> >>> He brings out a radiator hose and I tell him that won't fit.
> >>> 'Sure it will!'
> >>> Come with me.
> >>> 'Damn! It's got a supercharger on it!'
> >>> Yes, you idiot. It's a Lightning. It's not an F150.
> >>> Well, we don't have that then...
> >>> Thanks.
> >>> I've never been back... and told the manager I wouldn't be back, but
> they
> >>> didn't seem to care.
> >>>
> >>> Oh, well... my local Ford dealer likes me and always gets the right
> > thing.
> >>> Worth the slightly higher cost, I think.
> >>>
> >>> FWIW,
> >>> Kirby
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:10, GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> That seems to be an industry wide problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> I worked with local autoparts store with some specific questions.
> >>>> Several said "Well if you don't have a part number we can't help".
> >>>> Eventually I turned to online companies. Local stores wonder why
> online
> >>>> business is so good and theirs is not.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some online stores I got no help from. Others like Howe, RideTech,
> they
> >>>> work your problem with you. For that my business goes there first. For
> >>>> that I will repeat their names in thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gary
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Dave McManus wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I also emailed them more than a week ago & did not receive an answer.
> > So
> >>>>> much for their "customer no service". Why provide an email address if
> > you
> >>>>> don't respond? Tells you what you can look forward to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> IndyDave
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Curt Hall [mailto:cuvee at sbcglobal.net]
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 9:22 PM
> >>>>> To: Asa Jay Laughton; Dave Londry
> >>>>> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Borla mufflers
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I sent OBX Muffler a email over a week ago! No answer? I also went on
> >>>>>
> >>>> line
> >>>>
> >>>>> and read some comments from people that had them on there cars...the
> >>>>> comments were not so go? Most said, they were good at first, then
> after
> >>>>> awhile they said, the packing blew out and they go LOUD? But they
> look
> >>>>>
> >>>> good.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Your mileage may very? Each to they there own.
> >>>>> Good Luck
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Borla mufflers
> >>>>> To: "Asa Jay Laughton" <asajay at asajay.com>
> >>>>> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>>> Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 5:49 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hey Asa Jay,
> >>>>> When you get it all sorted out, I'd really like a set of 2 1/2" inlet
> >>>>> mufflers
> >>>>> with dual outlets at least 1 3/4" in diameter so they're not just
> >>>>> restrictors.
> >>>>> Of course I'd like them to be as quiet/load as my ANSAs, so I don't
> > want
> >>>>> toooo much.
> >>>>> thanks for the free lift.
> >>>>> dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PS
> >>>>> I went all through that vendor's site and through the OBX site and
> >>>>> couldn't find the throat diameter of the oulets.
> >>>>> I did leave a question, but I don't have any idea about the loudness
> > and
> >>>>> the Borla reviews are mixed at best.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 4/13/2011 4:40 PM, wkooiman at earthlink.net wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I had Borla XR-1s and 3" pipes for quite a while. They were louder
> > than
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> stock, but not as loud as Mind Trains (my opinion). I liked them a
> lot.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The XR-1s fit the Pantera really well. They do not have the original
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> style of 2 tips per muffler, but they look great with a slash cut
> >>>>>
> >>>> extension.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >>>>>>> Sent: Apr 13, 2011 4:55 PM
> >>>>>>> To: boyd411 at gmail.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Borla mufflers
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In a message dated 4/13/11 14 34 10, boyd411 at gmail.com writes:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Has anyone had any experience with any of the Borla line of
> mufflers
> > /
> >>>>>>>> resonators on a Pantera? I have heard them on some sports cars but
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> never
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> anything with a big V-8. They sound good on a Jaguar that I heard
> > but
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> I
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> don't know how they would sound on a V-8.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Borla made an off-the-rack system for Panteras for a short time.
> They
> >>>>>>> were absolutely awful--they were astoundingly loud! Just a complete
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> failure
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> in terms of muffling anything, which is probably why they only sold
> a
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> couple
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> before they pulled the plug.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mike
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