[DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants tocontinue toown a gun needs to read this! NOW!!

Fri Oct 22 18:58:37 EDT 2010

Just when were about to form a Pantera based militia....maybe next time.
Back to tracking black helicopters and remote scanning for aliens.  Michael

On Oct 22, 2010 6:05 PM, "Christopher Kimball" <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
wrote:
>
> I've really enjoyed it, and almost hate to see it go. (Note, "almost"
sorry...)
>
> Chris
>
>> From: wkooiman at earthlink.net
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 17:02:46 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants tocontinue
toown a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
>>
>> I would have to agree. I have contributed to this discussion, and I think
>> we've done an outstanding job of keeping it civil.
>>
>> On the other hand, it is a sensitive subject, and we've beat it to death.
>> There are probably plenty on the list that are sick of it, and want the
>> discussion to go away.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
On
>> Behalf Of Lynn Wall
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 4:09 PM
>> To: 'Will Kooiman'; 'Ken Green'; detomaso at realbig.com; 'Pantdino'
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants tocontinue
>> toown a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
>>
>> I would like to say to all of you. Thank you, I have carefully considered
>> all arguments and you have convinced me. I have changed my mind.
>>
>> Now can we drop this topic before I go and get my slingshot???
>>
>> Please????
>>
>> Pretty please????
>>
>> I swear I will,,,,I will get it and then you will all be sorry. It’s a
big
>> one. It has a scope and everything.
>>
>> Just make it stop......
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
On
>> Behalf Of Will Kooiman
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 7:14 AM
>> To: 'Ken Green'; detomaso at realbig.com; 'Pantdino'
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue
>> toown a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
>>
>> Sorry for dragging this on, but...
>>
>> I agree, except that I don't think the issue is liberal politicians
wanting
>> to protect themselves. There may be some of that, i.e. Nazi Germany, but
I
>> don't think that's the case in the U.S. - at least not yet.
>>
>> Gun control laws exist in the U.S. because a section of the public
believes
>> that gun control laws reduce violence. They support politicians, either
>> through voting or by voicing their concerns in the media, and then the
>> politicians push for more laws.
>>
>> Take a look at every high profile shooting that has occurred in the last
20
>> years. After nearly every one, the public says they want more gun control
>> laws. They neglect to mention that the bad guy broke many gun control
laws
>> in committing the crime. What would more laws do?
>>
>> If you look at how gun control laws affect other countries, you'll see
that
>> they make crime much worse. Mexico is a perfect example. Mexico has very
>> strict gun control. The drug cartels control the border towns, the media,
>> the politicians, and the police departments. You could argue that they
can
>> only exercise their grip on the country by using guns purchased in the
U.S.,
>> and that's probably a fair assessment, but they can only purchase U.S.
guns
>> by violating U.S. gun control laws. i.e. gun control laws are
ineffective.
>>
>> If we were to eliminate all guns from the U.S. and Mexico, Mexican drug
>> gangs would just get their guns somewhere else. You would have to
eliminate
>> guns from the planet.
>>
>> Even if you could eliminate all guns, you'd have to eliminate the
knowledge
>> about how to build a gun. I doubt very seriously that a section of the
>> public or any politician believes that's a viable option. It's just too
>> stupid.
>>
>> BTW, I don't own a gun, and I'm not in the NRA.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
On
>> Behalf Of Ken Green
>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:31 PM
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com; Pantdino
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue
>> toown a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
>>
>> Ya, but the psychopaths, convicted jewelry store robbers, rapists, and
>> released killers are going to kill you with or without a gun. They do it
>> every day. Australia basically banned gun ownership, and violent home
>> invasions increased significantly. When criminals know that victims are
>> disarmed, they know they are safe to come and get you.
>>
>> I personally know a couple people who were approached by bad guys
intending
>> violence. My friends showed that they were armed (no shots fired), and
the
>> bad guys walked away. If you don't want a firearm that's your business,
but
>> it's wrong for you to tell people (who probably don't live in the kind of
>> neighborhood you live in) that they cannot defend themselves. You can
argue
>> all you want the Hand Gun Control Inc. just wants to keep guns from the
bad
>> guys, but if you listen to what they say, they basically want to
eventually
>> take all guns away from private citizens, and everything they do is a
step
>> in that direction. First they need to know where all the guns are
>> (registration), then they want to go after them. It's happened that way
>> over and over again in other countries.
>>
>> Bottom line is that it's not about gun control, it's about BIG government
>> controlling people. Politicians, and especially liberal politicians,
don't
>> feel good about an armed public.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue
to
>> own a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 9:07 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> The point he is making is that ANYONE can buy a gun without difficulty.
>> Psychopaths, convicted jewelry store robbers and rapists, released
killers.
>>
>> As long as people can buy guns that way, all the waiting periods and
>> background checks are just a waste of time and money. He is pointing out
>> that the system of controlling who gets a gun is a sham.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: LARRY KELSEY <falconsimage at msn.com>
>> To: John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>; chrisvkimball at msn.com;
>> fresnofinches at aol.com; pantdino at aol.com; cuvee at sbcglobal.net;
>> bob at dodgecarroll.com; b.hower3400 at yahoo.com; hoppe1 at cox.net;
>> apache34 at embarqmail.com; Mad Dawg <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:29 pm
>> Subject: RE: NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to own a
gun
>> needs to read this! NOW!!
>>
>>
>> Dawg, JB, others,
>>
>>
>> Did I get this right? If you work for the Brady Campaign and are secretly
>> filming, It's perfectly all right to buy guns for cash with no ID and no
>> paperwork and no background check. BUT if I want to do the same thing it
is
>> somehow wrong?
>> Hell, I'm joining the Brady group, getting me a button video cam and
buying
>> me some guns too! Anybody want me to buy them anything?
>>
>>
>> This guy is convinced that guns make him unsafe, especially if they are
sold
>> without a background check. He bought several guns...are we less safe now
>> that he bought them? He spent the whole day with gun fanciers and in a
>> building with probably thousands of guns. Did anybody shoot him? Did
>> anybody even shoot AT him? Was he inherently unsafe? Was his life in
>> danger? He doesn't say but the answer is no. What a putz.
>>
>>
>> The other Larry, not the anti-gun Larry.
>>
>> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:56:09 -0700
>> From: gndplne at yahoo.com
>> Subject: Re: NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to own a
gun
>> needs to read this! NOW!!
>> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com; fresnofinches at aol.com; pantdino at aol.com;
>> cuvee at sbcglobal.net; bob at dodgecarroll.com; falconsimage at msn.com;
>> b.hower3400 at yahoo.com; hoppe1 at cox.net; apache34 at embarqmail.com;
>> teampantera at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
>> "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do
nothing."
>> --Edmund Burke
>>
>> I can't sit quietly.
>>
>> JB
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to own a gun
needs
>> to read this! NOW!!
>> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com, fresnofinches at aol.com, "Pantdino"
>> <pantdino at aol.com>, "Curt Hall" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>, "John Bentley"
>> <gndplne at yahoo.com>, "Bob Radefeld" <bob at dodgecarroll.com>,
>> falconsimage at msn.com, "B Hower" <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>, hoppe1 at cox.net,
>> "Chuck Adkinson" <apache34 at embarqmail.com>
>> Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 5:43 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Not on the Pantera List anymore and don't miss it. Why did you copy me
>> fokker? ;-]>
>> Guys like Larry and the anti-gun brigade who have never been in harms way
>> don't get it.... and never will.
>>
>>
>> Mad Dawg Antenucci
>> Team Pantera Racing
>> The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
>> www.teampanteraracing.com
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 10/20/10, John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue
to
>> own a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
>> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com,
>> "Pantdino" <pantdino at aol.com>, "Curt Hall" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
>> Cc: "Dennis" <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 10:26 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> WTH? After being off the list for a couple years, I check back in and its
>> FresnoLarry telling the masses about the virtues of gun control! Are you
>> kidding me? Wow, do some things never change or what? Talk about
>> misinformed or not honest.......where do I begin?
>>
>> Anyone that really honestly believes the government can take away ALL the
>> guns is way out in left field. Laws are only followed by the law-abiding
>> citizens. Anyone that doesn't believe that should take a ride-along with
>> their county Sheriff.
>>
>> NPC
>>
>> JB
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue
to
>> own a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
>> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com,
>> "Pantdino" <pantdino at aol.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 9:45 PM
>>
>>
>> Maybe take away Cell Phones? Now that might save a few traffic accidents!
>>
>> --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue
to
>> own a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
>> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
>> Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:00 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think anyone need fear that guns will be taken away, even from
>> criminals. The NRA has a very effective lobbying arm and the government
is
>> so ineffectual that it's basically impossible.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
>> To: fresnofinches at aol.com; Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:05 pm
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue
to
>> own a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
>>
>>
>>
>> K, I hate to get into controversies, but hey, I'll bet there are far more

>> eaths and maimings from car accidents than guns.
>> If someone had driven a car into President Reagan, would there be a huge
>> outcry
>> o outlaw cars? In fact, a speeding car crashing into a crowded shopping
>> center
>> ould easily kill more people than a lone gunman with a pistol.
>> To be specific; there are currently 247,000,000 passenger vehicles in the
>> USA
>> ccording to a 2007 D.O.T. study. In 2009, there were approximately 34,000

>> raffic deaths in this Country.
>> There are 235,000,000 handguns in the USA. There are approximately 29,000

>> and-gun related deaths each year (give or take a few), and about 17,000
are
>> uicides (which, arguably, would occur via some other way if handguns
weren't
>>
>> vailable).
>> Nevertheless, even counting suicides, there is approximately one
gun-related
>>
>> eath for every 8,103 guns in this country, and one traffic death for
every
>> ,265 cars owned.
>> Let's outlaw cars!
>> Chris
>> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:51:28 -0400
>> From: fresnofinches at aol.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to own a
>> gun
>> eeds to read this! NOW!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gun shows are found in many cities throughout the year.
>> Many states have no gun sale regulations. Those that do differ widely in
>> their
>> egulations.
>> Vendors at gun shows may include both federally licensed and private
>> sellers.
>> Federally licensed sellers must adhere to federal regulations.
>> Private sellers may or may not be required to follow regulations.
>> Federally licensed sellers do leave a paper trail of sales and this can
be
>> onitored.
>> Private sellers do not leave a paper trail.
>> Laws and regulations can be followed, ignored or bypassed.
>>
>> Doug stated "a federal study found that gun show sales account for only
2%
>> of
>> he guns used in crimes."
>> This is laughably inaccurate. By default, any such study can only include

>> ecorded sales made at gun shows.
>> Thus it omits most private gun sales made at these shows. Likewise, it
can
>> nly include crimes where the
>> weapon is recovered by law enforcement; surely most crimes are not solved
>> and
>> o weapons are recovered.
>>
>> Doug is correct when he says Federally licensed dealers must follow all
>> egulations, including waiting period regulations,
>> for all sales in retail locations or at gun shows. However, private
sellers
>> re not under such regulation in most states.
>> Private sellers may make their sales at gun shows, gun clubs, through the

>> nternet or any other venue they may choose.
>> Under most state laws, none of those sales are regulated.
>>
>> In 1981 President Reagan narrowly escaped being assassinated by a lone
>> gunman.
>> is Press Secretary Jim Brady was
>> not so fortunate, and suffered a devastating head wound from one of the
>> hooter's exploding bullets. In response, the
>> Brady Campaign and the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence were created.

>> heir Mission Statement is simply this:
>>
>>
>> Weare devoted to creating an America free from gun
>>
>> iolence, where allAmericans are safe at home, at school,
>> at work, and in our communities.
>>
>> On April 16, 2007 32 people were killed by a gunman at Virginia Tech.
Colin
>> oddard was shot four times in that massacre
>> but did survive. He has taken it upon himself to help assist in closing
the
>> un show loophole. To this end he works with the
>> Brady Campaign and visits gun shows carrying cash but no I.D. He easily
>> urchases and leaves those shows with guns.
>>
>> View his YouTube video here:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baPgr_tw79Q
>>
>> Anyone who says there is not a gun sales loophole at gun shows (and many
>> other
>> ocations) is either misinformed
>> or not being honest.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
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