[DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants tocontinue toown a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
Christopher Kimball
chrisvkimball at msn.com
Fri Oct 22 18:04:51 EDT 2010
I've really enjoyed it, and almost hate to see it go. (Note, "almost" sorry...)
Chris
> From: wkooiman at earthlink.net
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 17:02:46 -0500
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants tocontinue toown a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
>
> I would have to agree. I have contributed to this discussion, and I think
> we've done an outstanding job of keeping it civil.
>
> On the other hand, it is a sensitive subject, and we've beat it to death.
> There are probably plenty on the list that are sick of it, and want the
> discussion to go away.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Lynn Wall
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 4:09 PM
> To: 'Will Kooiman'; 'Ken Green'; detomaso at realbig.com; 'Pantdino'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants tocontinue
> toown a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
>
> I would like to say to all of you. Thank you, I have carefully considered
> all arguments and you have convinced me. I have changed my mind.
>
> Now can we drop this topic before I go and get my slingshot???
>
> Please????
>
> Pretty please????
>
> I swear I will,,,,I will get it and then you will all be sorry. It’s a big
> one. It has a scope and everything.
>
> Just make it stop......
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Will Kooiman
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 7:14 AM
> To: 'Ken Green'; detomaso at realbig.com; 'Pantdino'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue
> toown a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
>
> Sorry for dragging this on, but...
>
> I agree, except that I don't think the issue is liberal politicians wanting
> to protect themselves. There may be some of that, i.e. Nazi Germany, but I
> don't think that's the case in the U.S. - at least not yet.
>
> Gun control laws exist in the U.S. because a section of the public believes
> that gun control laws reduce violence. They support politicians, either
> through voting or by voicing their concerns in the media, and then the
> politicians push for more laws.
>
> Take a look at every high profile shooting that has occurred in the last 20
> years. After nearly every one, the public says they want more gun control
> laws. They neglect to mention that the bad guy broke many gun control laws
> in committing the crime. What would more laws do?
>
> If you look at how gun control laws affect other countries, you'll see that
> they make crime much worse. Mexico is a perfect example. Mexico has very
> strict gun control. The drug cartels control the border towns, the media,
> the politicians, and the police departments. You could argue that they can
> only exercise their grip on the country by using guns purchased in the U.S.,
> and that's probably a fair assessment, but they can only purchase U.S. guns
> by violating U.S. gun control laws. i.e. gun control laws are ineffective.
>
> If we were to eliminate all guns from the U.S. and Mexico, Mexican drug
> gangs would just get their guns somewhere else. You would have to eliminate
> guns from the planet.
>
> Even if you could eliminate all guns, you'd have to eliminate the knowledge
> about how to build a gun. I doubt very seriously that a section of the
> public or any politician believes that's a viable option. It's just too
> stupid.
>
> BTW, I don't own a gun, and I'm not in the NRA.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Ken Green
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:31 PM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com; Pantdino
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue
> toown a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
>
> Ya, but the psychopaths, convicted jewelry store robbers, rapists, and
> released killers are going to kill you with or without a gun. They do it
> every day. Australia basically banned gun ownership, and violent home
> invasions increased significantly. When criminals know that victims are
> disarmed, they know they are safe to come and get you.
>
> I personally know a couple people who were approached by bad guys intending
> violence. My friends showed that they were armed (no shots fired), and the
> bad guys walked away. If you don't want a firearm that's your business, but
> it's wrong for you to tell people (who probably don't live in the kind of
> neighborhood you live in) that they cannot defend themselves. You can argue
> all you want the Hand Gun Control Inc. just wants to keep guns from the bad
> guys, but if you listen to what they say, they basically want to eventually
> take all guns away from private citizens, and everything they do is a step
> in that direction. First they need to know where all the guns are
> (registration), then they want to go after them. It's happened that way
> over and over again in other countries.
>
> Bottom line is that it's not about gun control, it's about BIG government
> controlling people. Politicians, and especially liberal politicians, don't
> feel good about an armed public.
>
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to
> own a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 9:07 PM
>
>
>
> The point he is making is that ANYONE can buy a gun without difficulty.
> Psychopaths, convicted jewelry store robbers and rapists, released killers.
>
> As long as people can buy guns that way, all the waiting periods and
> background checks are just a waste of time and money. He is pointing out
> that the system of controlling who gets a gun is a sham.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LARRY KELSEY <falconsimage at msn.com>
> To: John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>; chrisvkimball at msn.com;
> fresnofinches at aol.com; pantdino at aol.com; cuvee at sbcglobal.net;
> bob at dodgecarroll.com; b.hower3400 at yahoo.com; hoppe1 at cox.net;
> apache34 at embarqmail.com; Mad Dawg <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:29 pm
> Subject: RE: NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to own a gun
> needs to read this! NOW!!
>
>
> Dawg, JB, others,
>
>
> Did I get this right? If you work for the Brady Campaign and are secretly
> filming, It's perfectly all right to buy guns for cash with no ID and no
> paperwork and no background check. BUT if I want to do the same thing it is
> somehow wrong?
> Hell, I'm joining the Brady group, getting me a button video cam and buying
> me some guns too! Anybody want me to buy them anything?
>
>
> This guy is convinced that guns make him unsafe, especially if they are sold
> without a background check. He bought several guns...are we less safe now
> that he bought them? He spent the whole day with gun fanciers and in a
> building with probably thousands of guns. Did anybody shoot him? Did
> anybody even shoot AT him? Was he inherently unsafe? Was his life in
> danger? He doesn't say but the answer is no. What a putz.
>
>
> The other Larry, not the anti-gun Larry.
>
> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:56:09 -0700
> From: gndplne at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to own a gun
> needs to read this! NOW!!
> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com; fresnofinches at aol.com; pantdino at aol.com;
> cuvee at sbcglobal.net; bob at dodgecarroll.com; falconsimage at msn.com;
> b.hower3400 at yahoo.com; hoppe1 at cox.net; apache34 at embarqmail.com;
> teampantera at yahoo.com
>
>
>
> "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
> --Edmund Burke
>
> I can't sit quietly.
>
> JB
>
>
> --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Subject: NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to own a gun needs
> to read this! NOW!!
> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com, fresnofinches at aol.com, "Pantdino"
> <pantdino at aol.com>, "Curt Hall" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>, "John Bentley"
> <gndplne at yahoo.com>, "Bob Radefeld" <bob at dodgecarroll.com>,
> falconsimage at msn.com, "B Hower" <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>, hoppe1 at cox.net,
> "Chuck Adkinson" <apache34 at embarqmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 5:43 AM
>
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>
>
> Not on the Pantera List anymore and don't miss it. Why did you copy me
> fokker? ;-]>
> Guys like Larry and the anti-gun brigade who have never been in harms way
> don't get it.... and never will.
>
>
> Mad Dawg Antenucci
> Team Pantera Racing
> The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
> www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> --- On Wed, 10/20/10, John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to
> own a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com,
> "Pantdino" <pantdino at aol.com>, "Curt Hall" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: "Dennis" <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 10:26 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> WTH? After being off the list for a couple years, I check back in and its
> FresnoLarry telling the masses about the virtues of gun control! Are you
> kidding me? Wow, do some things never change or what? Talk about
> misinformed or not honest.......where do I begin?
>
> Anyone that really honestly believes the government can take away ALL the
> guns is way out in left field. Laws are only followed by the law-abiding
> citizens. Anyone that doesn't believe that should take a ride-along with
> their county Sheriff.
>
> NPC
>
> JB
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to
> own a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com,
> "Pantdino" <pantdino at aol.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 9:45 PM
>
>
> Maybe take away Cell Phones? Now that might save a few traffic accidents!
>
> --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to
> own a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:00 PM
>
>
>
> I don't think anyone need fear that guns will be taken away, even from
> criminals. The NRA has a very effective lobbying arm and the government is
> so ineffectual that it's basically impossible.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> To: fresnofinches at aol.com; Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:05 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to
> own a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
>
>
>
> K, I hate to get into controversies, but hey, I'll bet there are far more
> eaths and maimings from car accidents than guns.
> If someone had driven a car into President Reagan, would there be a huge
> outcry
> o outlaw cars? In fact, a speeding car crashing into a crowded shopping
> center
> ould easily kill more people than a lone gunman with a pistol.
> To be specific; there are currently 247,000,000 passenger vehicles in the
> USA
> ccording to a 2007 D.O.T. study. In 2009, there were approximately 34,000
> raffic deaths in this Country.
> There are 235,000,000 handguns in the USA. There are approximately 29,000
> and-gun related deaths each year (give or take a few), and about 17,000 are
> uicides (which, arguably, would occur via some other way if handguns weren't
>
> vailable).
> Nevertheless, even counting suicides, there is approximately one gun-related
>
> eath for every 8,103 guns in this country, and one traffic death for every
> ,265 cars owned.
> Let's outlaw cars!
> Chris
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:51:28 -0400
> From: fresnofinches at aol.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to own a
> gun
> eeds to read this! NOW!!
>
>
>
>
> Gun shows are found in many cities throughout the year.
> Many states have no gun sale regulations. Those that do differ widely in
> their
> egulations.
> Vendors at gun shows may include both federally licensed and private
> sellers.
> Federally licensed sellers must adhere to federal regulations.
> Private sellers may or may not be required to follow regulations.
> Federally licensed sellers do leave a paper trail of sales and this can be
> onitored.
> Private sellers do not leave a paper trail.
> Laws and regulations can be followed, ignored or bypassed.
>
> Doug stated "a federal study found that gun show sales account for only 2%
> of
> he guns used in crimes."
> This is laughably inaccurate. By default, any such study can only include
> ecorded sales made at gun shows.
> Thus it omits most private gun sales made at these shows. Likewise, it can
> nly include crimes where the
> weapon is recovered by law enforcement; surely most crimes are not solved
> and
> o weapons are recovered.
>
> Doug is correct when he says Federally licensed dealers must follow all
> egulations, including waiting period regulations,
> for all sales in retail locations or at gun shows. However, private sellers
> re not under such regulation in most states.
> Private sellers may make their sales at gun shows, gun clubs, through the
> nternet or any other venue they may choose.
> Under most state laws, none of those sales are regulated.
>
> In 1981 President Reagan narrowly escaped being assassinated by a lone
> gunman.
> is Press Secretary Jim Brady was
> not so fortunate, and suffered a devastating head wound from one of the
> hooter's exploding bullets. In response, the
> Brady Campaign and the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence were created.
> heir Mission Statement is simply this:
>
>
> Weare devoted to creating an America free from gun
>
> iolence, where allAmericans are safe at home, at school,
> at work, and in our communities.
>
> On April 16, 2007 32 people were killed by a gunman at Virginia Tech. Colin
> oddard was shot four times in that massacre
> but did survive. He has taken it upon himself to help assist in closing the
> un show loophole. To this end he works with the
> Brady Campaign and visits gun shows carrying cash but no I.D. He easily
> urchases and leaves those shows with guns.
>
> View his YouTube video here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baPgr_tw79Q
>
> Anyone who says there is not a gun sales loophole at gun shows (and many
> other
> ocations) is either misinformed
> or not being honest.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
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