[DeTomaso] Pandora question

Fri Nov 26 18:37:04 EST 2010

Chris sent me some photos of his timing pointer.  It appears to be same 
style as on my Pantera.  Photos are here:
http://www.351c.info/gallery2/v/admin/

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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On 11/26/2010 13:41, doug351c wrote:
> We can probably rule out that the dampener may have slipped.  Chris is using
> a BRAND NEW Pioneer 872027 SFI approved damper available here at Summit:
> http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=PIO-872027&dds=1\
>
> And further described here by the manufacturer
> http://powerbondparts.com/
>
> I'm using the same damper on mine.  They are very well built and when I
> checked my TDC pointer it was within 1/4 degree of correct!  I'm using the
> same early 70-71 style pointer as Asa Jay's but I believe Chris is using the
> later style pointer that spans across the front cover.
>
> I still recommend that Chris check TDC accuracy as his next step and mark
> his damper so he can detect if it slips in the future.  Further spirited
> driving will easily uncover a slipping damper.
>
> Doug Braun
> blue 73L #5505
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Christopher Kimball
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 11:32 AM
> To: jb841 at cox.net
> Cc: Pantera List Serve
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pandora question
>
>
>
> Good points--
>
> 1) I haven't yet done the tdc check yet; I'm waiting to borrow the correct
> tool from another club member.  I'll bet, however, that when I do, the
> pointer will be pointing exactly 16 degrees before the magic marker mark on
> the damper.
>
> 2) I sent Doug Braun the number of my balancer, he researched it, and it's
> the same one that he is using, and he said it's absolutely correct.
>
> There are two mounting holes on the left side of the the pointer (which is
> its own bracket), and only one can be used at a time.  Right now, the lower
> hole is the one with the bolt holding it in place.  I don't think this will
> work, just by looking at how things are set up, but I'm going to try and
> loosen the single bolt on the right side (which only has one hole in the
> pointer bracket), remove the bolt on the left side, then move the bracket
> down and reinsert the bolt through the upper hole of the bracket.  That
> would lower the pointer , and it looks as if then the pointer will be in the
> right place relative to the damper and timing marks.  Unfortunately, though,
> I don't think it will work because the pointer bracket is shaped in such a
> way that I don't think it can be moved down.  It's worth a try, though.
>
> It does make you wonder why the pointer bracket has those two holes on one
> side with only one being able to be used.  It was mentioned in a prior email
> that there are a number of different pointers that can be used, and I'm
> beginning to suspect the I have the wrong one.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pandora question
> From: jb841 at cox.net
> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 09:04:12 -0800
> CC: detomaso at realbig.com
> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com
>
>
>
> Chris,
> Interesting.  Sounds like that is the way it was done at the rebuild??
> Perhaps the wrong? balancer was installed.
> When you did the TDC check, exactly where was the timing pointer (on the
> front of the engine) pointing (relativeto the TDC mark on the balancer)?
> John
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2010, at 8:35 AM, Christopher Kimball wrote:Well, the car had
> some problems that seemed non-timing related.  When I got caught in the rain
> once, the car refused to start and had to be taken home on a flatbed.  After
> sitting in the garage and drying out for a few days, it then started fine.
> It sounded like either an electrical problem (water in the distributor, for
> instance) or perhaps water in the carb.
>
> After Stephan had taken off the carb and discovered a number of issues with
> it, he put it all back together and that's when he was going to adjust the
> timing and the strangeness was observed.  Until that time the car had run
> fine, unless it was wet, in which case it sometimes wouldn't start.  This
> also is more evidence that the damper is probably not slipping, since if it
> were the black magic marker mark probably wouldn't still be the mark at
> which the car runs best (which it is)--slippage would have caused the magic
> marker mark to be at some random point, not lined up perfectly with the
> pointer , when observed using a timing light.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
>
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