[DeTomaso] Matching numbers

[John Buckman]

My 5/71 car #1490 has the VIN on the white B pillar tag, the dash tag, and it is stamped
into the foot well box.  There are no body service numbers on this car.  There is not any
tag or sticker on the foot well box.

There is no engine number stamped into the rear of the engine block, nor is there an 
engine tag attached to the body.

There is an engine data (smog) plate riveted to the body by the left deck lid strut.

The short VIN is stamped on both headlight buckets and on both cabin doors.

The short VIN is chalked on every interior upholstery piece (and probably a few others
that I haven't gotten to yet), the underside of both deck lids, and the AC condenser fan blade.

This is how the car was when it was delivered to the LM dealer.

John
 



On Jul 23, 2010, at 5:13 PM, detomasoregistry at gmail.com wrote:

> Jack,
> 
>>>> I think you confused a couple of the numbers.  At least you are confusing me!
> (I'll indicate my comments with the ">>>" indicator.)
> 
> There are two separate serial numbers found on most Panteras- one for the 
> chassis and a diferent one for the body number. 
> 
>>>> I believe there are three numbers.  
> 
>>>> 1) The Chassis number (the sequential number that is part of the VIN, like
> VIN=THPNMY04580 therefore the Chassis number in this case is 04580. (Note only the last 4
> digits, 4580, is used as the short VIN code in the DeTomaso Registry.)
> 
>>>> 2) The "Body Service Number" (or BSN) that began in early July 1972, and not always
> present in the Post-Ford cars (1975+).
> 
>>>> 3) The Block Number (or motor number) also described as the Mechanical Service Number.
> 
> 
> The 'ordinary' Pantera 
> chassis serial numbers are stamped into the leftside rear of the engine block, 
> 
>>>> No this is the Block Number.
> 
> the 
> windshield tag, 
> 
>>>> The VIN.  (Usually in this sample format: THPNMY04580)
> 
> the toebox inside the front hood, 
> 
>>>> The VIN.  (The 'DETOMASO * 874 *' which precedes the VIN on the foot box stamp is not
> part of the official VIN.) 
> 
> and the fragile white 
> plastic tag (body serial) found in various locations around the cars. 
> 
>>>> The Body Service Number ONLY appears on the BSN tag located in the front trunk.
> 
> Our 
> plastic tag is rivited on the passenger's doorjamb and a similar aluminum tag is 
> rivited above the emission plate on the left rear inner fender. 
> 
>>>> This second (aluminum) tag you mention is the BLOCK NUMBER tag.  The first (plastic)
> tag you mention is the Driver's doorpost or "B" Pillar tag contains the FULL VIN, and the
> month and year of production, in numerical form ie: 11/72.
> 
>>>> Euro cars usually have a different tag, and it is located on the PASSENGER-side door
> pillar.
> 
> There may also be a black aluminum tag rivited to the driver's doorpost with the year of 
> manufacture and the chassis serial.
> 
>>>> The black tag you mention???  I have only seen "aftermarket/replacement" tags being
> black.
> 
> 
> On the bottomside of both headlight buckets is also stamped the car's 
> chassis serial number. The stamping is not visible unless the bucket is removed 
> from the car, and the stamps may be partially or completely filled in with 
> paint. NOT having a number stamped there may indicate an unstamped   service 
> replacement bucket installed as a result of an accident. I believe most '71s 
> and post-Ford- built cars did not have this stamping, either; I've only seen 
> it in '72-'75 Panteras.
> 
>>>> I have seen a number on an early 1971 headlight bucket.  (Car 1256 I believe).
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Chuck Melton
> 
> 
> 
> 
> With Mangustas, our 8MA 0760 car had '0760', chalked on the backside of 
> every interior panel in the car: the inner door panels, the underside of the 
> dash pad, the center console upholstering and the rear cabin pad. The only 
> other spot there was a serial, was the 'official' number' stamped into the 
> leftside upper rear strut brace, and that is the only one visible without a 
> wrench or screwdriver. All this info is available on a routine basis from Hall 
> Pantera and most other vendors, since they need it to send you the parts that 
> fit your individual car. FWIW- J DeRyke
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