[DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help

Wed Aug 25 00:28:51 EDT 2010

I didn't know they were talking about your car. I woul  have stood up for
your Mohair. I would go with the neon but my fuse box can't handle it!

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>   I just wanted to know when you got them? You know, to go along with my
> new paint, pea green, with padded roof, low rider side pipes, shag carpet,
> mohair seat covers, OH, and don't forget the fuzzy dice!
>
> --- On *Tue, 8/24/10, boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help
> To: "Curt Hall" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: "Mike Drew" <mikeldrew at aol.com>, "Pantera List Serve" <
> detomaso at realbig.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 9:03 PM
>
>  Why are you selling yours?
> Boyd
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cuvee@sbcglobal.net>>
> wrote:
>
> > When do you install the cool neon?
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 8/24/10, Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chrisvkimball@msn.com>>*
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chrisvkimball@msn.com>
> >
> >
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help
> > To: boyd411 at gmail.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=boyd411@gmail.com>
> > Cc: "Mike Drew" <mikeldrew at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mikeldrew@aol.com>>,
> fresnofinches at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>,
> "Pantera List
> > Serve" <detomaso at realbig.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >
> > Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 8:54 PM
> >
> >
> > Those even made me sick!  (And I have green, LED dome lights...!)
> >
> > Chris
> > #3846
> >
> > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 23:46:15 -0400
> >
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help
> > From: boyd411 at gmail.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=boyd411@gmail.com>
> <http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=boyd411@gmail.com>
> > To: chrisvkimball at msn.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chrisvkimball@msn.com>
> <http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chrisvkimball@msn.com>
> > CC: mikeldrew at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mikeldrew@aol.com>
> <http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mikeldrew@aol.com>;
> > fresnofinches at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>
> <http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>;
> > detomaso at realbig.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> <http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
>
> >
> >
> > If someone shows up with a Pantera customized like those custom jap cars
> > that were on the list last week I will completely change my position!
> > Boyd
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Christopher Kimball <
> > chrisvkimball at msn.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chrisvkimball@msn.com>
> <http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chrisvkimball@msn.com>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Side pipes on a Pantera?  Why, that's as silly as chrome pipes sticking
> out
> > of the engine cover.  Oh, wait...someone I know did have that
> modification
> > for a while...
> >
> > Chris (now pipeless in Seattle) K.
> >
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:21:18 -0400
> > > From: boyd411 at gmail.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=boyd411@gmail.com>
> <http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=boyd411@gmail.com>
> > > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=MikeLDrew@aol.com>
> <http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=MikeLDrew@aol.com>
> >
> > > CC: fresnofinches at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>
> <http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>;
> > detomaso at realbig.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> <http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help
> >
> > >
> > > Mike, I don't want this to be an endless exercise of you said this and
> I
> > > said that but I never said I was in favor of shoddy workman ship, and
> > > unsafe repairs. there are plenty of panteras that I have seen that I
> > don't
> >
> > > personaly care for. I hated that Gold plated monstrosity. But I still
> > defend
> > > the right of the owner to make that choice. If will defend your right
> to
> > > keep your vehicle "Stock looking" you are missing the whole point of my
> >
> > > post. You aparently don't realize it but the comments you make from
> time
> > to
> > > time to express your views about a particular choice someone has made
> > often
> > > include dispariging remarks that are insulting and hurtful to the
> person
> > who
> >
> > > made the purchase or modification. This is not my opinion. This is what
> > > people have written to me since I wrote the first post complaining
> about
> > > your veiled insults. I made reccomendations to the newbie and in the
> >
> > > following post with out naming me you made reference to the exact
> things
> > i
> > > suggested and instaed of just saying you didn't agree with my opinions
> > you
> > > took cheap shots. I didn't say  the list has some   egotistical, know
> it
> >
> > > all, big mouths who think all panteras should remain stock looking (
> > which
> > > would have certainly seemed like it was directed at you if I posted it
> > right
> > > after you gave Peter your advice. But that's in essence what you did to
> > me.
> >
> > > You said the fuse box was perfectly fine(not a verbatim quote) but you
> > went
> > > on to say you had replaced yours along with your harness, you had
> > modified
> > > your fan circuitry and added relays, and you had added an extra fuse
> box
> > ?
> >
> > > How does all that equate with the stock fuse box being fine or
> adequate?
> > > Would you fly your aircraft with a Pantera style Fuse box? You might
> but
> > the
> > > air force would never let you! In spite of the fact that I don't agree
> > with
> >
> > > your personal opinions on pantera taste I don't insult you because your
> > > views differ with mine. All I am suggesting is that you do what Jack
> Webb
> > > used to say on the old Dragnet show "The facts just the facts" Save the
> >
> > > insults for you private messages.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Boyd
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:30 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=MikeLDrew@aol.com>
> <http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=MikeLDrew@aol.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > In a message dated 8/24/10 9 56 27, fresnofinches at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>
> <http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>writes:
>
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Agreed, Mike is a bit biased to the more stock looking car. His
> > choice.
> >
> > > > > And mine.
> > > > >
> > > > >>>In my column however, you'll see that while I note that
> > > > Ferrari/Porsche/etc. purists look down on modified Panteras, I
> > specifically
> > > > said that *I*
> >
> > > > don't, and in fact I appreciate the breadth and depth of the Pantera;
> > it's
> > > > what makes it completely unique.
> > > >
> > > > My criticisms about certain Panteras don't involve aesthetic
> >
> > > > considerations, but rather low-class "There, I fixed it" mechanical
> > > > hackery.   For
> > > > instance, when I bought my car, it was rusted to shreds on the right
> > side
> > > > wheelhouse.  You know the little hole where the parking brake cable
> > passes
> >
> > > > through
> > > > the sheetmetal between the inside of the car, and the caliper?   My
> > > > wheelhouse
> > > > had a crack completely through it, that started at that hole and ran
> > all
> > > > the way up to the turn signal bucket!   The car was literally
> splitting
> >
> > > > apart
> > > > there.   So Jethro 'fixed' it by getting a piece of sheetmetal about
> > the
> > > > size of the playing card, drilling four holes in it, then bolting it
> on
> > > > either
> > > > side of the crack about halfway up!
> >
> > > >
> > > > The wheelhouse tubes were completely gone for the bottom two inches
> or
> > so;
> > > > Jethro 'fixed' it by getting a piece of steel strap, about 2 inches
> > wide,
> > > > drilling a couple of holes, and running it between the upper A-arm
> > mounting
> >
> > > > bolt and the lower A-arm mounting bolt!
> > > >
> > > > The radiator fans were evidently acting up on him, so he 'fixed' it
> by
> > > > bypassing the relays, and wiring each fan directly to its own 1-amp
> (!)
> >
> > > > switch
> > > > mounted in the bottom opening on the instrument panel.   But hey,
> they
> > were
> > > > illuminated!   When I took it apart (the day after taking possession
> of
> > the
> > > > car), I found the wires burned and the switches melted.
> >
> > > >
> > > > THIS is the kind of hackery that I object to.   Boyd, you can
> criticize
> > me
> > > > all you want for my stance on this particular topic, but I think most
> > will
> > > > agree that there are some lines, particularly mechanical lines, that
> >
> > > > shouldn't be crossed.
> > > >
> > > > Aesthetics are a much more subjective thing, but I would be
> > hard-pressed to
> > > > find anybody who believes that putting fake sidepipes from the front
> >
> > > > fenders, shag carpeting (to include the headliner), and an avocado
> > green
> > > > vinyl top
> > > > on a Pantera is an appropriate thing to do.   Again, Boyd, if you
> > choose to
> > > > go that route, knock yourself out. :>)
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > >But the gist of his column was, as usual, worthy of endorsement.
> > > > >
> > > > >>>I'm glad you agree.   I did receive numerous private e-mails from
> > > > various people when that column first appeared, all of which said
> >
> > > > variations of
> > > > "Amen brother!"   Boyd is the first person I know of who expresses a
> > > > contrary
> > > > view and defends those sorts of actions.   But it takes all kinds, I
> >
> > > > guess....
> > > >
> > > > Mke
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