[DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help

Curt Hall cuvee at sbcglobal.net
Wed Aug 25 00:10:33 EDT 2010


I just wanted to know when you got them? You know, to go along with my new paint, pea green, with padded roof, low rider side pipes, shag carpet, mohair seat covers, OH, and don't forget the fuzzy dice!

--- On Tue, 8/24/10, boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help
To: "Curt Hall" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "Mike Drew" <mikeldrew at aol.com>, "Pantera List Serve" <detomaso at realbig.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com
Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 9:03 PM


Why are you selling yours?
Boyd

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> When do you install the cool neon?
>
> --- On *Tue, 8/24/10, Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help
> To: boyd411 at gmail.com
> Cc: "Mike Drew" <mikeldrew at aol.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, "Pantera List
> Serve" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 8:54 PM
>
>
> Those even made me sick!  (And I have green, LED dome lights...!)
>
> Chris
> #3846
>
> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 23:46:15 -0400
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help
> From: boyd411 at gmail.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=boyd411@gmail.com>
> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chrisvkimball@msn.com>
> CC: mikeldrew at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mikeldrew@aol.com>;
> fresnofinches at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>;
> detomaso at realbig.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
>
>
> If someone shows up with a Pantera customized like those custom jap cars
> that were on the list last week I will completely change my position!
> Boyd
>
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Christopher Kimball <
> chrisvkimball at msn.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chrisvkimball@msn.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Side pipes on a Pantera?  Why, that's as silly as chrome pipes sticking out
> of the engine cover.  Oh, wait...someone I know did have that modification
> for a while...
>
> Chris (now pipeless in Seattle) K.
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:21:18 -0400
> > From: boyd411 at gmail.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=boyd411@gmail.com>
> > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=MikeLDrew@aol.com>
>
> > CC: fresnofinches at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>;
> detomaso at realbig.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help
>
> >
> > Mike, I don't want this to be an endless exercise of you said this and I
> > said that but I never said I was in favor of shoddy workman ship, and
> > unsafe repairs. there are plenty of panteras that I have seen that I
> don't
>
> > personaly care for. I hated that Gold plated monstrosity. But I still
> defend
> > the right of the owner to make that choice. If will defend your right to
> > keep your vehicle "Stock looking" you are missing the whole point of my
>
> > post. You aparently don't realize it but the comments you make from time
> to
> > time to express your views about a particular choice someone has made
> often
> > include dispariging remarks that are insulting and hurtful to the person
> who
>
> > made the purchase or modification. This is not my opinion. This is what
> > people have written to me since I wrote the first post complaining about
> > your veiled insults. I made reccomendations to the newbie and in the
>
> > following post with out naming me you made reference to the exact things
> i
> > suggested and instaed of just saying you didn't agree with my opinions
> you
> > took cheap shots. I didn't say  the list has some   egotistical, know it
>
> > all, big mouths who think all panteras should remain stock looking (
> which
> > would have certainly seemed like it was directed at you if I posted it
> right
> > after you gave Peter your advice. But that's in essence what you did to
> me.
>
> > You said the fuse box was perfectly fine(not a verbatim quote) but you
> went
> > on to say you had replaced yours along with your harness, you had
> modified
> > your fan circuitry and added relays, and you had added an extra fuse box
> ?
>
> > How does all that equate with the stock fuse box being fine or adequate?
> > Would you fly your aircraft with a Pantera style Fuse box? You might but
> the
> > air force would never let you! In spite of the fact that I don't agree
> with
>
> > your personal opinions on pantera taste I don't insult you because your
> > views differ with mine. All I am suggesting is that you do what Jack Webb
> > used to say on the old Dragnet show "The facts just the facts" Save the
>
> > insults for you private messages.
> > Thanks,
> > Boyd
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:30 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=MikeLDrew@aol.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
>
> > > In a message dated 8/24/10 9 56 27, fresnofinches at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Agreed, Mike is a bit biased to the more stock looking car. His
> choice.
>
> > > > And mine.
> > > >
> > > >>>In my column however, you'll see that while I note that
> > > Ferrari/Porsche/etc. purists look down on modified Panteras, I
> specifically
> > > said that *I*
>
> > > don't, and in fact I appreciate the breadth and depth of the Pantera;
> it's
> > > what makes it completely unique.
> > >
> > > My criticisms about certain Panteras don't involve aesthetic
>
> > > considerations, but rather low-class "There, I fixed it" mechanical
> > > hackery.   For
> > > instance, when I bought my car, it was rusted to shreds on the right
> side
> > > wheelhouse.  You know the little hole where the parking brake cable
> passes
>
> > > through
> > > the sheetmetal between the inside of the car, and the caliper?   My
> > > wheelhouse
> > > had a crack completely through it, that started at that hole and ran
> all
> > > the way up to the turn signal bucket!   The car was literally splitting
>
> > > apart
> > > there.   So Jethro 'fixed' it by getting a piece of sheetmetal about
> the
> > > size of the playing card, drilling four holes in it, then bolting it on
> > > either
> > > side of the crack about halfway up!
>
> > >
> > > The wheelhouse tubes were completely gone for the bottom two inches or
> so;
> > > Jethro 'fixed' it by getting a piece of steel strap, about 2 inches
> wide,
> > > drilling a couple of holes, and running it between the upper A-arm
> mounting
>
> > > bolt and the lower A-arm mounting bolt!
> > >
> > > The radiator fans were evidently acting up on him, so he 'fixed' it by
> > > bypassing the relays, and wiring each fan directly to its own 1-amp (!)
>
> > > switch
> > > mounted in the bottom opening on the instrument panel.   But hey, they
> were
> > > illuminated!   When I took it apart (the day after taking possession of
> the
> > > car), I found the wires burned and the switches melted.
>
> > >
> > > THIS is the kind of hackery that I object to.   Boyd, you can criticize
> me
> > > all you want for my stance on this particular topic, but I think most
> will
> > > agree that there are some lines, particularly mechanical lines, that
>
> > > shouldn't be crossed.
> > >
> > > Aesthetics are a much more subjective thing, but I would be
> hard-pressed to
> > > find anybody who believes that putting fake sidepipes from the front
>
> > > fenders, shag carpeting (to include the headliner), and an avocado
> green
> > > vinyl top
> > > on a Pantera is an appropriate thing to do.   Again, Boyd, if you
> choose to
> > > go that route, knock yourself out. :>)
>
> > > >
> > > > >But the gist of his column was, as usual, worthy of endorsement.
> > > >
> > > >>>I'm glad you agree.   I did receive numerous private e-mails from
> > > various people when that column first appeared, all of which said
>
> > > variations of
> > > "Amen brother!"   Boyd is the first person I know of who expresses a
> > > contrary
> > > view and defends those sorts of actions.   But it takes all kinds, I
>
> > > guess....
> > >
> > > Mke
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