[DeTomaso] Rookie needs help...

[boyd casey]

 The Pantera fuse box has sucked since the day it came out.

>>>Says who?  Upon what huge wealth of experience are you basing this
statement?
That's funny coming from you. You made an assessment about another product
last week that you said "was  home made and Hobbled together" you have
absolutely no experience with it and it has not been around long enough for
anyone to formulate any factual opinion as to it's quality, yet you trashed
it. At least my opinion on the Pantera fuse box was based on actual
experience. Granted not 15  years of ownership but it didn't take me 15
years to realize it was a significant weak link in the car. I do have HID
lights, They draw less current then sealed beams , they allow me to actually
see at night which wasn't possible with the sealed beams that were in my car
and I didn't install them until after I installed John's fuse box. Every
modification I have made to my car with the exception of the wheels was to
improve it's safety , handling, or reliability. I wonder how many people
have had electrical fires or other electrical related problems that could
cause serious issues of safety ,like headlights failing to light or open,
fans stopping and causing over heating (another potential for fire or
destruction of an engine)
It's funny to me that the modifications that you made
>>>I'm sure not one of them--my car is extensively modified in virtually
every system, although I took great pains to keep it stock-looking."
are the "acceptable" modifications >>>Says who? Why is keeping it stock
Looking so important  or more important then keeping it really stock, who
are you trying to fool? You want people to think it's stock?
You are a very help full resource to the Pantera community , but you need to
realize that your opinions are simply that ,opinions.
I don't recall the election were you were voted arbiter of "Pantera Good
taste" The article you wrote last month is proof you think you are. I
respect your right to your opinions, I respect your actual knowledge of
facts more. In my opinion you should start respecting other peoples rights
to their own opinions and to do what they want with their own cars that they
paid for with their own money. You don't have to like it but I don't find
your insults of other peoples taste or opinions amusing, entertaining or
useful. There's a reason Baskin Robbins has 32 Flavors,if it was "Mike
Drews" There would only be Vanilla.
 Your friend,
Boyd

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:33 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:

>
> In a message dated 8/23/10 19 59 30, boyd411 at gmail.com writes:
>
>
> The Pantera fuse box has sucked since the day it came out.
>
> >>>Says who?  Upon what huge wealth of experience are you basing this
> statement?
>
>  > Mike is right though if you have one in working order they are fine,
> the only problem is you will never find one in Good working order.
>
> >>>Come on over.  The one in my car is absolutely perfect.  Admittedly I've
> performed the "Moseley relay kit modification" and have moved the fan power
> sources to their own aux fusebox.  But the stock fusebox is otherwise
> perfectly good and has been working fine for years.  In fact, it's only when
> people start hacking and whacking the electrical system, adding additional
> high-draw accessories (like third radiator fans etc.) that the fusebox
> becomes overwhelmed.  But that's not down to a design flaw in the fusebox,
> that's down to owner buffoonary.
>
> There are over a hundred Panteras in PCNC.  Only a handful are running on
> anything other than the stock fusebox, and none of them have any systemic
> electrical problems.  So your statement is patently false.
>
>
>  > I never said investing in some 21st century technology would solve your
> present problem  but it will or would make your Pantera allot more reliable
> and help save your sanity.
>
> >>>If there's nothing wrong with your stock components, switching to new
> ones will have zero effect on relability.
>
>  Ask how many people on the list use John Hass's products (Those that
> actually drive their cars).
>
> >>>Like I said before, there is absolutely no question that John makes some
> spectacularly good products.  I am filled with admiration for the
> engineering excellence contained therein.  It's not necessary by any stretch
> of the imagination, but that doesn't mean that it's not excellent just the
> same.  It's just excellence for its own sake, rather than excellence in the
> pursuit of a genuine improvement.
>
> Now, if your car has suffered some electrical insult at your own hands or
> the hands of a previous owner, then it's possible that your stock fusebox
> has been sizzled.  I have seen a few toasted fuseboxes, normally with fuse
> holders 11/12 overheated and burned, again, because people added multiple
> fans to the circuits and seriously overloaded the stock wiring, which wasn't
> built to take the additional draw.  Owner buffoonary, in other words.
>
> *IF* that is the case, then it makes perfect sense to replace it with one
> of John's wonders.  Chances are it costs the same or less than a replacement
> factory fusebox, and it has a number of advantages.  This simply can't be
> denied.
>
>
>  >Some people believe you should leave your 40 year old Pantera exactly
> they way it was when it first came out.
>
> >>>I'm sure not one of them--my car is extensively modified in virtually
> every system, although I took great pains to keep it stock-looking.
>
>  >That's fine if you just want a car for your collection. These are the
> same people who believe fixing the space shuttle when it blew up was a
> mistake because the new  improved model wasn't stock. If you want a car that
> will get you stuck half the time you drive it leave it exactly the way it
> came from the factory.
>
> >>>Particularly with the later cars, if the owners leave them alone, they
> are perfectly reliable as they came from the factory.  Normally it's the
> owner modifications that introduce electrical faults--install super-duper
> Halogen headlights, sizzle the headlight switch.  Install monster radiator
> fans, sizzle the fusebox.  If you're going to modify your car electrically,
> be sure to do it right.  And if you don't do it right, don't blame the car
> when it sputters to a stop or bursts into flame.
>
> (I should add as an aside that when I bought my car, the previous owner was
> a real putz, and he had totally hacked the hell out of my electrical system,
> performing all of the above sins, and more.  My car therefore had all sorts
> of electrical problems, including multiple no-kidding electrical fires,
> until I replaced the entire wiring harness with a STOCK 1974 harness, and
> the fusebox with a STOCK 1974 fusebox, and then wired up everything as it
> had been wired from the factory.  Subsequent to this, I upgraded the fan and
> headlight circuits to accomodate my higher-power lights and fans, and in 15
> years since I have never suffered even a hint of an electrical problem).
>
>
>  Don't even change the oil "It wouldn't be original!"
>
> >>>You can never go wrong switching to John's stuff.  But if your car is
> broken right now, odds are that the switch to his stuff won't fix it--it
> will just lighten your wallet and complicate the repair procedure even
> further.
>
> Fix what you've got, and once it's working perfectly, then switch to the
> megabuck blinkylight stuff if you want to.  You won't hurt anything by doing
> so, other than your bank balance. :>)
>
> Mike
>