[DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
GW
gow2 at rc-tech.net
Wed Aug 4 21:58:01 EDT 2010
I'm not too tall.
Mike Thomas wrote:
> Doesn’t look like you did dropped floor pans . . .
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Tomas Gunnarsson
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:01 PM
> To: GW
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
>
> Thanks Gary!
>
> I see that you've removed the lip under the radiator which is otherwise the
> lowest part of the front. Interesting pics!
>
> Tomas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GW [mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net]
> Sent: den 4 augusti 2010 15:53
> To: Tomas Gunnarsson
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
>
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> I guess it does dip a little inside the rails but is actually level with the
> outside of the rails. When I replaced the chin spoiler I made the chin
> spoiler flush at the rear. I welded on a plate to clean up the triangle
> boxes with nuts right in front of the chin, welded on tabs with nuts in many
> locations. By holding it flush with several locations it will be mounted
> well.
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> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/valance/val31.jpg
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> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/valance/val33.jpg
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> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/valance/val25.jpg
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> The tow straps were removed and removable toe toe hooks welded in. You can
> see the removable tie down hooks toward the bottom:
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> The tow straps were removed and removable toe toe hooks welded in:
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> There are a total of about 25 taps or welded on buts to bolt it to including
> bolts in the front rails:
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> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/paint2/underbelly2.jpg
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> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/frame/frame2.jpg
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> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/frame/frame.htm
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> As I mentioned before all air is ducted out the top of the car. And fender
> vents to help pull air from wheel well:
>
> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/hood/hood.htm
>
> The final sanding and final paint has begun. I have the interior, front
> trunk and about half the chassis final sanded and painted. I am working the
> rear right now:
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> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/paint1/front3.jpg
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> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/paint1/int3.jpg
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> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/paint1/bot3.jpg
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> Probably more then you asked.
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> Gary
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> Tomas Gunnarsson wrote:
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>> Gary,
>>
>> I was not thinking about covering the suspension. The part of the pan
>> that has three ribs (marked in red in the attached pic) looks like
>> it's sitting several inches higher from the ground than the rest. I
>> was wondering why as it seems like continuing level with the rest
>> would be more streamlined. Maybe the photo is deceiving?
>>
>> Tomas
>>
>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>> From: GW [gow2 at rc-tech.net]
>> Sent: 4/8/2010 12:15:08 PM
>> To: Tomas Gunnarsson
>> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
>>
>> Do you mean carrying it forward under the front suspension? It just
>> seemed a natural place to start. I can add additional pannels latter
>> as needed. This brings it to the back side of the air dam. The back of
>> the rear panel is closed off and this aluminum airdam is actually
>> closed off in the rear as well. While the bottom of the front well is
>> not covered right now the well is isolated from air that otherwise
>> would have been coming in from the front.
>>
>> You don't see it here but the remaining holes here have block off
>> plates. Some times you do what you can to start and go from there:
>>
>> :http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/airdam/ad26.jpg
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> Tomas Gunnarsson wrote:
>>
>>> Gary,
>>>
>>> Why is the belly pan swooping up between the front wheels instead of
>>> going straight forward to the bottom of the valance panel?
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>>
>>> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
>>> From: GW [gow2 at rc-tech.net]
>>> Sent: 4/8/2010 2:10:58 AM
>>> To: John Taphorn
>>> Cc: michael at michaelshortt.com,Mike Thomas,pantera list
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
>>>
>>> If the scoop goes directly to the carb, the aerodynamics inside the
>>> engine bay forcing air out will be eliminated.
>>>
>>> I built a belly pan but it stops just short of the engine:
>>>
>>> http://www.rc-tech.net/cars2/panttransam/1905/bp/bpd.jpg
>>>
>>> All air in the front I am directing out of the hood; no air directed
>>> under the car:
>>>
>>> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/hood/hood.htm
>>>
>>> Air dam is scratch built:
>>>
>>> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/airdam/ad.htm
>>>
>>> It's beginning to come together now:
>>>
>>> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/paint1/paint.htm
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Taphorn wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good point and I should have clarified my message.
>>>>
>>>> I intend to seal the area around each side opening with a cone
>>>> filter
>>>>
>>>>
>>> inside. Then connect the air filters to the carb using 4" tubing.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Summit sells a Spectre part that is able to be customized that may
>>>>
>>>>
>>> even work. Although, you would still need to fab the sealed air
>>> cleaner boxes. It would be similar to this, yet custom made for the
>>>
> Pantera.
>
>>>> http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SPE-252D/
>>>>
>>>> With this done, next will be an aluminum belly pan under the engine
>>>>
>>>>
>>> area. However, that is another chapter.
>>>
>>>
>>>> JT
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Rob Dumoulin
>>>> To: John Taphorn
>>>> Cc: Mike Thomas ; michael at michaelshortt.com ; pantera list
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 7:34 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a private response, Gudmund below stated that hot air was
>>>> exiting
>>>>
>>>>
>>> his vents at 50-60 mph. If that is so, there is a low pressure area
>>> pulling engine air out like a venturi as the air passes along the
>>> side of the car. Assuming one put a fairly sealed cold air intake in
>>> this area, it would actually be starving the engine of air rather
>>> than feeding it.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Does anybody know if there is a low pressure under the stock deck
>>>>
>>>>
>>> around the air cleaner with the engine cover installed? I can't
>>> imagine the designers would let that happen, but it would deter me
>>> from punching a hole through my engine cover and raising the air filter
>>>
> through it.
>
>>>>
>>>>> I have installed those small scopes in the side vindow.They look
>>>>> great and are weary easy to install. I was just on a group tour to
>>>>> France. There I got told there are no air going in those scoops
>>>>> but hot air coming out. I thought that was strange so I checked on
>>>>> the way back. Held my hand out the window in front of the scope
>>>>> and right enough there was hot air coming out going 50 - 60 mph.
>>>>> But steel look good.
>>>>> Best regards Gudmund
>>>>> Froiland
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:20 AM, John Taphorn
>>>>
>>>>
>>> <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I intend to eventually install a system on my GT5 to draw air in
>>>>
>>>>
>>> through the side windows/vents. My aim is to have a source of cooler
>>> denser air for the engine. The current flow pattern has us
>>> extracting air from the engine bay that is heated as it passes by
>>> the headers first.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have listened to the debate for years about the 4" ear
>>>> requirement
>>>>
>>>>
>>> on the side of the car. The advocates say it is necessary for the
>>> ram air effect. That may be so, however, I am not seeking to ram air
>>> into the carburetor. We certainly are not benefiting from ram air in
>>> the stock configuration, so I don't see why it is postulated as a
>>> requirement when ever someone inquires about ingesting air from the
>>> side.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I am confident that if the intakes tract is extended to an opening
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>
>>> the side gill/window even without an ear, the engine will suck in
>>> all the cooler denser air that it needs despite the theoretical
>>> boundary layer. Lord knows, it certainly rushes into my car when I
>>> roll down the driver's window without the benefit of anything, like
>>> an intake stroke, creating a lower vacuum.
>>>
>>>
>>>> JT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Thomas"
>>>>
>>>>
>>> <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>> To: "'Rob Dumoulin'" <rob at dumoulins.net>;
>>>> <michael at michaelshortt.com>
>>>> Cc: "'pantera list'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:21 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Remember that there has been quite a number of strings regarding
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>> merits
>>>
>>>
>>>> of side scoops and whether they really do any good unless they
>>>> stick
>>>>
>>>>
>>> out far
>>>
>>>
>>>> enough to extend beyond the boundary layer created by the car. If I
>>>>
>>>>
>>> recall
>>>
>>>
>>>> the figure was 6" to 8" out from the side of the car to actually
>>>>
>>>>
>>> "scoop"
>>>
>>>
>>>> some air. 'Like Michael said, it's your car, but I sure wouldn't
>>>> want
>>>>
>>>>
>>> mine
>>>
>>>
>>>> looking like Dumbo on wheels . . .
>>>>
>>>> Something else I would think about too: if your car is an early
>>>> '71, I assume it has all the bright work on it (bumpers, mirrors,
>>>> window
>>>>
>>>>
>>> trim,
>>>
>>>
>>>> etc.). I recently saw an ad on EBay for an early '71 with steel
>>>> group
>>>>
>>>>
>>> IV
>>>
>>>
>>>> flares, center exhaust from 180's, etc, and somehow all that just
>>>>
>>>>
>>> didn't
>>>
>>>
>>>> look right on a chrome bumpered car, having seen most Grp IV clones
>>>>
>>>>
>>> with
>>>
>>>
>>>> bumpers off or all trim blacked out.
>>>>
>>>> K, that's my .02.
>>>>
>>>> Mike Thomas
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
>>>
>>>
>>>> Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:56 PM
>>>> To: michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>> Cc: pantera list
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Mike. Why do I get the feeling you are preparing for a
>>>> career
>>>>
>>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>
>>>> politics with those two answers? Seriously though, I like the hood
>>>>
>>>>
>>> vent
>>>
>>>
>>>> look, want to cut down on under car air pressure while gaining
>>>> ducts
>>>>
>>>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>
>>>> brake air, and want a closed box cold air system. I also considered
>>>>
>>>>
>>> cutting
>>>
>>>
>>>> a hole in my engine cover and placing the K&N in colder air above it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I am
>>>
>>>
>>>> about function on just about everything on the car except the hood
>>>>
>>>>
>>> vents.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 2, 2010 8:59 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Guys, working out of state is killing my restoration plans and
>>>> spare
>>>>
>>>>
>>> time.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I hoped to be farthe...
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