[DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration

[Rob Dumoulin]

In a private response, Gudmund below stated that hot air was exiting his
vents at 50-60 mph.  If that is so, there is a low pressure area pulling
engine air out like a venturi as the air passes along the side of the car.
 Assuming one put a fairly sealed cold air intake in this area, it would
actually be starving the engine of air rather than feeding it.

Does anybody know if there is a low pressure under the stock deck around the
air cleaner with the engine cover installed?  I can't imagine the designers
would let that happen, but it would deter me from punching a hole through my
engine cover and raising the air filter through it.

> I have installed those small scopes
> in the side vindow.They look great and are weary easy to
> install. I was just on a group tour to France. There I got
> told there are no air going in those scoops but hot air
> coming out. I thought that was strange so I checked on the
> way back. Held my hand out the window in front of the scope
> and right enough there was hot air coming out going 50 - 60
> mph. But steel look good.
> Best regards     Gudmund
> Froiland

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:20 AM, John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>wrote:

> I intend to eventually install a system on my GT5 to draw air in through
> the side windows/vents.  My aim is to have a source of cooler denser air for
> the engine.  The current flow pattern has us extracting air from the engine
> bay that is heated as it passes by the headers first.
>
> I have listened to the debate for years about the 4" ear requirement on the
> side of the car.  The advocates say it is necessary for the ram air effect.
> That may be so, however, I am not seeking to ram air into the carburetor. We
> certainly are not benefiting from ram air in the stock configuration, so I
> don't see why it is postulated as a requirement when ever someone inquires
> about ingesting air from the side.
>
> I am confident that if the intakes tract is extended to an opening in the
> side gill/window even without an ear, the engine will suck in all the cooler
> denser air that it needs despite the theoretical boundary layer.  Lord
> knows, it certainly rushes into my car when I roll down the driver's window
> without the benefit of anything, like an intake stroke, creating a lower
> vacuum.
>
> JT
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> To: "'Rob Dumoulin'" <rob at dumoulins.net>; <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Cc: "'pantera list'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
>
>
>  Remember that there has been quite a number of strings regarding the
>> merits
>> of side scoops and whether they really do any good unless they stick out
>> far
>> enough to extend beyond the boundary layer created by the car.  If I
>> recall
>> the figure was 6" to 8" out from the side of the car to actually "scoop"
>> some air.  'Like Michael said, it's your car, but I sure wouldn't want
>> mine
>> looking like Dumbo on wheels . . .
>>
>> Something else I would think about too: if your car is an early '71, I
>> assume it has all the bright work on it (bumpers, mirrors, window trim,
>> etc.).  I recently saw an ad on EBay for an early '71 with steel group IV
>> flares, center exhaust from 180's, etc, and somehow all that just didn't
>> look right on a chrome bumpered car, having seen most Grp IV clones with
>> bumpers off or all trim blacked out.
>>
>> K, that's my .02.
>>
>> Mike Thomas
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin
>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:56 PM
>> To: michael at michaelshortt.com
>> Cc: pantera list
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
>>
>> Thanks, Mike.  Why do I get the feeling you are preparing for a career in
>> politics with those two answers?  Seriously though, I like the hood vent
>> look, want to cut down on under car air pressure while gaining ducts for
>> brake air, and want a closed box cold air system.  I also considered
>> cutting
>> a hole in my engine cover and placing the K&N in colder air above it.  I
>> am
>> about function on just about everything on the car except the hood vents.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 2, 2010 8:59 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>  Guys, working out of state is killing my restoration plans and spare
>>> time.
>>>  I hoped to be farthe...
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