[DeTomaso] Ebay Pantera: Is A SCAM!!!!-BIDS HAVE BEEN REMOVED!

Sun Oct 18 20:51:26 EDT 2009

I know Will, I was the one that started bidding on the car to raise the
price until we were canceled out.
I didn't want to see anybody scammed either,

The point I was making was that we are a small group and it's up to us to
protect the brand, the cars, our investment, etc.  If we don't, nobody will,
it's not like there is a factory/corp to back us up.  That includes not only
being nice to people who are interested, but watching out that others aren't
screwed, just like what we did today.
Thankfully we don't have to deal with clones like the folks at the shelby
registry, tempests and lemans claiming to be GTO's, and fake z-28's and fake
ZL1 Camaros made out of junk models or the entire industry that has grown up
reproducing Cobras and GT40's ( and I even want one of each of of those
myself, but I would never let people think it was the real deal, esp since
many of the repros are better cars, just don't have the same value.)

I'm constantly correcting people who recall the "over heating exaggerations"
as a result of those first batch of ill prepared Pantera press cars back in
71, what will it take to kill that?

Michael Shortt

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Will Kooiman <wkooiman at earthlink.net>wrote:

> I don't care if people associate a low price with Panteras - unless we're
> talking about an insurance agent.
>
> I care more about someone trying to buy a Pantera and getting scammed.
>  Most
> likely they wouldn't get scammed for $20K, but they might have lost deposit
> money.  It's never fun to see a good person getting scammed (and if they're
> looking to buy a Pantera, they are by definition a good person).
>
> Regarding your comments about the Austin Healy, I can relate.  I would love
> to buy a late model Corvette.  They're magnificent cars, and at a great
> price.  However, there were several people in my home town with Corvettes,
> and they were complete @ssholes.  I'm tempted to buy a C5 Z06, but I can't
> stop thinking about the jerks.
>
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> To: Larry Finch
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ebay Pantera: Is A SCAM!!!!-BIDS HAVE BEEN REMOVED!
>
> I hope so, i just hate that other people see an auction like that and
> associate a price that low with our cars.   I'm all for showing higher
> sales
> prices whenever possible and burying anything 40K.  If we don't do it,
> certainly nobody else will do it for us.  Aside from that, the description
> of the car was obviously written by an idiot (and a scammer of course), but
> outsiders don't know that and some ( with more money than brains ) might
> accept it as the truth and the car's condition and differences from stock
> appearing as a fact.
>
> I attended a car show yesterday ( if you are on Facebook, I posted 60
> photos
> ) (Won Best Import) and had to endure and nicely correct onlookers who told
> me the following.
>
> Pantera's originally had Chevy engines,  my dad owned a 1967 model cause he
> picked it over a Cobra cause my Mom wanted a hard top, it was made by
> Ferrari but used a Ford Engine, Was it a Delorean that had been painted, I
> didn't know they made 335/35/17 tires back then, and my favorite one, Where
> do you put your groceries when you go shopping ( and keep in mind that here
> in the south, we shop once or twice a month, lots of bags).
>
> I also think it's important that we answer questions without laughing at
> people (although it's hard sometimes) and be extra nice, I have a friend
> who
> attended a show in the last two months in a western state (not saying
> where)
> and he owns a Conptemporary Cobra with a nice built 351W and a 1969 Mustang
> Mach 1 with a 351W that is 1 of 2 (according to Martini) in it's
> combination
> and unusual color Aztec Aqua, it's top rated by the mustang club folks as
> well, anyway, he also helped me sometimes with my car and knows something
> about Panteras.  He said that he was looking at 2-3 Panteras at this show
> and overheard the owners talking to people who asked questions and that
> they
> were total *holes, as he said, pretending to be "all that" instead of being
> nice and trying to educate people and inform them when they were mistaken.
>
> We all know sometimes that people who come to shows, races, track days,
> have
> issues, are seriously "wanna bes" but never will bes, but of them most
> aren't anything but gear heads exactly like us...they just aren't there yet
> or they were us years ago and now they have other interests.  I'm sure when
> I first started going to shows in 1980 with my less than concours 1973 TR-6
> (British Car Days at Tanglewood) that I didn't come off as anything but
> what
> I was, a broke college student who liked his little red car, dressed like
> bum and had dirty fingernails from working on the car myself.  To this day,
> I can't stand Austin Healy 3000 people because one jerk was very rude to me
> that day, a real Pr%^k who acted like he owned one of the 12 lightweight
> XKE's or a D type Jag.
>
>
> My point is that we need to be the best PR spokespeople that we can be to
> ensure that there is always a market for our cars and that demand will
> always exist because anytime that a future owner might come in contact with
> one of us that it always will be a positive experience.  My car is a 1971,
> 38 years old and looks as good today (to me) as it did the day it rolled
> out
> of Modena, it's damn sure faster, handles better and rides more
> comfortably.  I am also cognizant that I may own it NOW, but in the big
> picture I am just its' caretaker, even if I keep it until I die (as I have
> plans to do) and as many on the list have done (I know that my late friend
> Wayne Steven's car still sits in his garage and is driven sometimes by his
> wife), that will not always be the case.
>
> I hope that #1660 is always cherished and maintained as I have done, as
> Clark did before me and all the X owners since it was new.  The same thing
> that I think about when I see really older cool cars like 810/812 Cords,
> Model J Duesnbergs, MB Gullwing 300SL's and wonder about all the people in
> that car's history.
>
> Only we can make that happen.
>
>
>
> Michael Shortt
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> > $#@!
> >
> > The scammer wins.
> >
> > He closed this auction early.  Damned if I know how, meaning my snipe
> > bids never got their chance.
> >
> > Our only hope is eBay Fraud blocking this.
> >
> > Sigh....
> >
> > Larry
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