[DeTomaso] FW: ZDDP zinc oil additive

Thu Mar 12 23:32:53 EDT 2009

 Is this Performance Driving Formula the type that is generally available, or is it a special type?
I have ignored Mobil 1 since they came out with the gold-topped stuff that ruined many engines some years ago

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hawkins <shawkins777 at comcast.net>
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Sent: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 3:31 pm
Subject: [DeTomaso] FW:  ZDDP zinc oil additive

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Londry [mailto:davel at emspace.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:45 AM
To: Dave Londry
Cc: Paul - Home; detomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZDDP zinc oil additive

This didn't post on the first try.

15W50 is the Mobil high-zinc oil. 
Other grades of Mobil 1 are not.
They call it competition suitable ......

Mobil 1 15W-50 is our most advanced performance synthetic engine oil
designed to provide ultimate wear protection for a smooth driving experience
every time. Mobil 1 15W-50, Performance Driving Formula, exceeds the
requirements of the industry and car manufacturers' standards required for
high-performance turbo-charged, supercharged gasoline and diesel multi-valve
fuel injected engines. Mobil 1 15W-50 is a winning race proven technology.
It is especially suited for high-speed highway, towing, and other severe
service situation. Mobil 1 15W-50, Performance Driving Formula, provides
extra engine oil performance and protection for the winning edge. Mobil oils
are the official oils of NASCAR. 

Features and Expected Benefits 

Mobil 1 15W-50 is made with a patented proprietary blend of high performance
synthetic basestocks fortified with Supersyn Antiwear Technology, our most
advanced additive system available today. Mobil 1 15W-50 heavier viscosity
together with patented Supersyn Antiwear technology provides our best
dynamic lubricant protection. This feature is supported, not only by
exceeding the toughest industry performance standards, it is proven in
gruelling racing applications. Key features and expected benefits include

Paul - Home wrote: 

As Asa stated you need to be VERY careful in your choice of oil for a 

flat tappet cammed engine.  The Mobil 1 chart showed an oil that had 

1200 ppm of ZDDP.  But I've seen other Mobil 1 charts, that show that 

level of ZDDP only for older mixes of oil, not for the stuff you can buy 

at the auto parts store.  Rotella and other diesel oils are not going to 

be sufficient and are already starting to reduce the ZDDP levels.

Your best bet is to go with a specialty oil and to carefully research it.

Paul

Ian H wrote:

I  just checked the Mobil 1 web site an they say that their 15W50 (which is 

what I use) has 1200 ppm of ZDDP.   Most others in their line have 800ppm, a

couple have 1000ppm.  Is 1200 enough?  I don't know  but it's better than 

nothing, I guess.

Heres a chart of their product line The last line labled Phosphous content 

is the ZDDP level. 

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf

Ian

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From:  <mailto:cengles at cox.net> <cengles at cox.net>

To: "Asa Jay Laughton"  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>

Cc:  <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com> <detomaso at realbig.com>

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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZDDP zinc oil additive

Dear Asa,

I am a bit confused. I understand that Mobil 1, VR-1 and Amsoil, etc, are 

trick, synthetic oils with many advantages over dino oil. My dumb question 

is if those advantages include synthetic compensation for the lack of 

ZDDP? My guess is that while they excel in most areas of oil function, the 

specific problem area that ZDDP addresses requires----specificaly ZDDP. 

Anybody know if the synthetics need no additives or if a little "snort" of 

ZDDP is beneficial in our flat tappet cam engines?

Often confused, Chuck Engles

---- Asa Jay Laughton  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:

But there are also alternatives out there, like Mobil 1, Valvoline VR-1,

Amsoil. You just need to do the research, and there is a lot of it out

there. I recently switched back to Amsoil and I'm loving it.

:)

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired

&Shelley Marie

Spokane, WA

1971 Mach I Mustang [ASA JAY]

1973 Pantera L 5533 [ASASCAT]

******************************

http://www.asajay.com

http://www.351c.info

pantdino at aol.com wrote:

What you say is true-- any oil approved for a new car would be terrible 

for a flat-tappet engine.

But if you use a gas-diesel approved oil like Delo or Rotella will still 

be OK as of now.

That could change in the future if the government requires further 

reductions in those oils also.

Jim Oddie

-----Original Message-----

From: Robert Kirk  <mailto:kirkbrit at yahoo.com> <kirkbrit at yahoo.com>

To: detomaso at realbig.com

Sent: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 2:28 pm

Subject: [DeTomaso] ZDDP zinc oil additive

I?have recently become aware that current motor oils are profoundly 

lacking

enough zinc to adequately lubricate older engines.?

One of my MGC customers has had a major failure with his new Cam.?? I now 

learn

that lack of sufficient zinc (ZDDP) in the oil is probably a supporting 

if not

causation of the problem.? I now am now on board with what looks to be 

the best

solution on the market...."ZDD plus".??? Anyway I wanted to offer the 

group an

opportunity to purchase a small quantity (5 4oz bottles) at a 25% 

discount to

the retail price of $9.95/bottle.? That would be enough to do 5 oil 

changes.?

Moss gets $12/bottle with their dealer cost still over the MSR of $9.95

A brief run down of the problem:

http://www.macysgarage.com/myweb6/ZDDP.htm

?

More information about the product I sell at:

http://www.zddplus.com/

?

This is a real problem for pre catylitic cars with flat lifters.? I hope 

to have

much more posted to my web site very soon.? This product has 4 times as 

much as

the GM marketed brake in oil and is light years ahead of most any modern 

oil.?

There seems to be a lot of chest pounding and out and out untruths about 

several

modern oils but the bottom line is that if it is recommended for a new 

car it

doesn't have sufficient ZDDP....reason being zinc eats catylitic 

converters.?

?

If interested please contact me directly off list.

Regards,

Robert Kirk

www.kirks-auto.com

?

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